Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The greatest goalkeepers ever


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The result was   delete. Snow delete, but actually there's no reason why a similar article couldn't be written with proper sourcing - after all we have Films considered the greatest ever. Black Kite 09:50, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

The greatest goalkeepers ever

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From the PROD: Unreferenced, subjective list Terrillja  talk  01:33, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete as inherently subjective. WillOakland (talk) 01:38, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete Totally subjective. Ten Pound Hammer  and his otters • (Broken clamshells • Otter chirps • HELP) 02:34, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Not so fast--just look at Lev Yashin, for instance, and the link found in that article. The article is bad, no doubt, but inherently subjective, well, I don't really think so. Undoubtedly, Schmeichel and Yashin are better goalies than me, and those kinds of things can be judged, and are judged (if only by transfer sums; just ask Gianluigi Buffon). One might ask what the point is of such a list, of course. Drmies (talk) 02:53, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Note From the link: "considered by many to be the greatest goalkeeper", so even Britannica uses weasel words. No way to tell who feels that he is the greatest goalkeeper. Britannica could be referencing his best friends for all we know. -- Terrillja talk  03:01, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, seriously, it is Brittanica, not some blog, and it's not likely they use his friends. Besides, European Footballer of the Year is not nothing. I won't deny those are weasel words, but Brittanica's entries are generally shorter than WP's. That 40 or 50 years after his career he would still be called this, even in weaselish words, is meaningful. Then, Buffon transfers for 52 million Euros, that's meaningful, and sources could be found to corroborate that--and they would probably say something about him. Listen, I'm not on a mission to save this really poor list, but 'inherently (or 'totally') subjective' is a stretch. Drmies (talk) 05:55, 14 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Delete Subjective list. Doc StrangeMailbox Logbook 03:09, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete. Subjective, unsourced, and unnecessary list to boot. Doesn't meet WP:SALAT.  Graymornings (talk) 22:06, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete subjective, unsourced, and unsalvageable--a rename wouldn't help. JJL (talk) 03:30, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete - Agree with others that page is naturally subjective, and lacks references.  Giants2008  ( 17-14 ) 04:33, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
 * DeleteNot needed Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 05:07, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete - This list's very title & topic is subjective; "The greatest goalkeepers" could be judged by any criterion. This completely fails WP:NPOV and cannot be viewed as encyclopedic content. I would go so far as to suggest premature deletion per WP:SNOW; I just don't see this list as being able to become encyclopedic. Robert Skyhawk So sue me! (You'll lose) 05:11, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Merge its useless, has no point, and overall is just a waste of an article, its most likly a new editor who needs a guide, his him time, then merge to Goalkeeper —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dappl (talk • contribs) 05:26, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Disagree I see no reason to merge this, since it is all subjective and wouldn't really add to goalkeeper. And please try to remain civil. -- Terrillja talk  05:40, 14 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Strong delete - Subjective, likely OR, unsourced, and undeserving of a merge. &mdash; neuro(talk) 08:56, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete - and put this snowball out of its misery. Richard Cavell (talk) 10:27, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete as useless unsourced weasel-filled article. Alexius08 (talk) 12:36, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
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 * Delete as complete fancruft, unless some reliable sources exist for lists of greatest keepers ever. Does FIFA keep such a list? What of the various football magazines (and not just British ones who think football began in 1992)? Totnesmartin (talk) 18:58, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
 * BJAODN per all of the above, blizzard conditions, and what is an excellent candidate for the WP:DUMB list. MuZemike  ( talk ) 23:55, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete per all of the above. The initial edit to this page made it clear that it wasn't even what it says on the can (it was for the 20 best GKs ever in the English premier league - which instantly rules out such greats as Yashin, Banks, Jennings, and Zoff). In any case, ask 20 different people who the greatest goalies ever were and you'll get 20 different answers. Oh, and MuZemike - BJAODN doesn't exist any more, sadly. Grutness...wha?  00:29, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
 * This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football related deletions. ChrisTheDude (talk) 08:47, 15 December 2008 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.