Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The lies that men tell

This appears to be a vanity page about a six minute long film by students. Looking more closely, there have been several other POV edits to Fabio Burch Salvador, and Building of Horrors including one by User:Fabioburch and several others coming from the IP range 200.175.XX.XX. Dunc_Harris|&#9786; 16:56, 6 Jul 2004 (UTC).

Let's see:


 * User:200.175.84.212 talk contribs
 * User:200.175.72.91 talk contribs
 * User:200.175.90.53 talk contribs
 * User:Fabioburch talk contribs
 * User:200.175.90.245 talk contribs


 * Delete all - also delete Fabio Burch Salvador who lists in his accoplishments this film along with a "fake electoral campaign" and showing his "movies" on channel 6 and Building of Horrors - another of his movies listing most of his family as cast and crew. - T&#949;x  &#964;  ur&#949;  17:02, 6 Jul 2004 (UTC)
 * Delete all: What's the point? Wikipedia is not a free web host, not an advertising medium, not a bulletin board, not a jobs service. The channel seems to be a community access channel. Geogre 17:16, 6 Jul 2004 (UTC)

I´m coming in this discussion to say some words. Well, first: I wrote about myself. Just because people write to me and sometimes ask me if I exist. My fake campaign makes people email me to ask if I do exist! And, well, my movies have some relatives in the cast list. Of course they have! They are trash home-made movies. But Channel 6 shows those home-made movies, and there´s an Orkut community to discuss those masterpieces of home-made trash movies (the community: "Os filmes do canal 6" - or, in english, it would be "the movies of channel 6". It´s a city-wide channel. And the funny part of all this is that our movies are REALLY BAD ONES! All movies there have relatives of director and producers in the cast. Some examples: "Fatman and Robada", "The Reflex", "Anumatus Immaturus", and more. In fact, "Animatus Immaturus" has only one name: the same guy is the director, writer and actor. His older brother was the camera operator.
 * Then why not set up a user page? Let people find all that information there, quench their curiosity, and learn important things about you? The student film is not, at present, a notable contribution to the world. Geogre 17:16, 6 Jul 2004 (UTC)


 * Agreed. In the US, we call this "public access cable."  PAC shows nothing but programs produced by local residents.  The cable system where I live loans equipment and studio time to those who wish to contribute.  They aren't broadcast outside the service area.  Yours sounds like a fun project, but it simply isn't notable enough to be in a worldwide cyber-encyclopedia. - Lucky 6.9 17:18, 6 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Fabio again: Well, I tought that WIKIPEDIA was supposed to have ALL knowledge in the world to anyone who wants to read about any thing. And I tought it would be nice if people of my town could read about those things.

Oh, and I almost forgot to say: Some one sai that THE LIES THAT MEN TELL was "another movie where cast crew are most of my family". Well, let me ask you something: where did you find a relative of mine in "THE LIES THAT MEN TELL" ? Let´s see: Script: Isidoro GUGGIANA Director: Fabio BURCH Actor: Otavio ABUCHAIM Actress: Carol MILANEZ

The list of crew members includes surnames DEXHEIMER, SANTANA, LERMEN, and others. Teachers who guided us during the work: Anibal DAMASCENO and Glenio POVOAS. Where are my relatives?

Fabio once again: Ah, thank you for saying our communitarian Tv is a funny idea. this is ho it works: The Communication Law of brazil states that every Cable TV company must give one channel to communitarian activity. In Porto Alegre, it´s Channel 6. Well. There are some shows in this channel. One of those shows is "Curtas Gauchos", or "Gaucho Short Movies". If you want your movie to be shown, you must send the tape to the Tv administrators. They will select the movies and put them on exhibition.

My movies are really bad, because they have cheap effects and unexperienced actors. But they are funny to watch, so the Tv guys selected them.

Do I have to overthrow the president to enter Wikipedia?

I did not like when a guy said "Wikipedia is not a free web host...". I do not intend to use Wikipedia as a free web host. I worte the article about Count Orlock, I wrote some other articles (one about Joao Goulart, and others). I have contributed, and will contribute a lot more, with all knowledge that I have. You, who wrote that "free web host" thing, who do you think you´re talking to? I´m not going to tolerate such offenses. You´re protected by distance, because you would not be man enough to tell me that in person.


 * Fabio, our broadcast laws regarding cable TV are similar in that regard, although most of our programming, at least in my area, is community service-related. No public access program would be considered for inclusion here.  They are not of broad enough interest.  One local example of ours is a talk show hosted by a delightful acquaintance of mine named Patti Caruso.  Patti happens to be the mother of MTV's Carson Daly.  Carson was a radio DJ here in the Palm Springs, California area for several years before hitting the big time.  BTW, I'd only met Carson a couple of times before he moved to San Francisco, and then only briefly.  Does Patti's "Valley Views" program merit inclusion here?  IMO, no.  Your other contributions are appreciated and we share your frustration, but you're not going to win many supporters with an attitude like that. - Lucky 6.9 17:45, 6 Jul 2004 (UTC)
 * No matter how much you contribute (and we do appreciate it) you don't gain the right to create pages about yourself and your work. Please continue to make this a better encyclopedia.  You get credit in the page histories and get to talk about yourself on your user page. -  T&#949;x  &#964;  ur&#949;  17:46, 6 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Fabio says: once again you did not understood what I just wrote. i am not saying that by contributing I get the right to put anything I want on Wikipedia. I said that i contributed with some articles, and was just making anothe contribution when i wrote about my own movies.

I did not know that a subject needed to be "important" to be in Wikipedia. i tought that Wikipedia was going to have ALL knowledge possible. So, if one man, in one town, wanted to read about a very obscure subject, he would find it here.

Of course, I was wrong, Wikipedia is only for "important" subjects. So, delete the pages about me, and if somebody comes searching for them, I will have to tell the people that there are some things that Wikipedia just won´t have a text about. I´m not looking for propaganda here. Let´s see: My movies are in portuguese, no one of you would watch it. I am not looking for greater fame on those movies, because they are underground ones, I do not want to remembered for them in the future. It´s just for play.

But I am concerned that this "World Wide" encyclopedia has some obscure subjects located in USA, India, England. Some subjects that I never heard about. And I am not asking them to be deleted.

And bout my attitude not getting many supporters... well, I am not going to play the good guy just to get some supporters. I never played the good guy. And I will never do so.


 * OK, let's try once more. Take a deep breath and relax.  Better?  Now that we're calm and collected, please reread the comments Texture and I left for you.  No one is trying to deny you anything and no one is asking you to play the "good guy."  Your contributions about general information are appreciated.  And, no one is out to destroy the articles up for debate.  The information would best serve you and the project on your own user page.  If you want to tell the world about your public access work, then by all means please do so, but do so within the context of the site.  Friends? - Lucky 6.9 18:52, 6 Jul 2004 (UTC)


 * Delete: no evidence of notability. Wile E. Heresiarch 20:44, 6 Jul 2004 (UTC)
 * Delete. Wikipedia is not a place to store all the knowledge in the world. We have the Internet to do that. DJ Clayworth 21:04, 6 Jul 2004 (UTC)
 * Delete. Continue this discussion in the talk page for the account that I hope the contributor will create. Andrewa 21:39, 6 Jul 2004 (UTC)
 * Delete. Is this film of any importance or note? If not, and it is not deleted, what is to stop me posting articles about fictional essays that I wrote whilst at school? David Thrale 21:51, 6 Jul 2004 (UTC)
 * Good evening, Fabio. Please consider creating an account so that we can all discuss in more detail without cluttering up this page. (If you have an account, please sign your comments with four tildes.) Briefly, you are not alone in thinking that Wikipedia should try to capture all knowledge. You are, however, in the minority. The current standard set by the majority of the Wikipedia community who chose to express an opinion is that we will choose to restrict our encyclopedia to "notable", "verifiable" and/or "useful" information for reasons that have been discussed at length at What Wikipedia is not and its archived Talk pages. While that decision should be periodically reevaluated, the discussion should probably be started on Village Pump, not here. Based on the current standards, delete. Rossami 22:51, 6 Jul 2004 (UTC)
 * Delete. JFW | T@lk  00:25, 7 Jul 2004 (UTC)
 * Though I am part of that small minority that (may) believe that all knowledge belongs in Wikipedia, I still vote delete. I'd say there may be a time for such things, but the time is not now. Rhymeless 04:33, 8 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Fabio´s words: You may be thinking why did I left the discussion board earlier today, and returned now. Well, I just had to go to work. In fact, I have been thinking about all those questions, and, when I calmed down from being offended by some messages left here, I just figured out that it´s not the right time for me to be on Wikipedia. The time will come when I will get a place on the list of world notable persons. But this time is not right now.

So, just to finish, I would like to vote for deletion of articles "Fabio Burch Salvador", "The Lies that men tell" and "The Building of Horrors".

You must be thinking: "Why is he deleting his own stuff". Well, I tought Wikipedia had ALL things on it. Now I know Wikipedia is only for the world wide important things, I must say: I´m still not world wide important subject. I recognize that, and I´m asking you to delete it.

You may not believe that I´m really Fabio and that I am writing this, but I am. I have an account but I don´t know how to sign with my account name yet.

With no further opposition, it´s a consensus: delete the 3 articles.

I just wanted to add one thing: My attitude was not writing about school work or something like that, as som one said. We have almost no mainstream cinema in Brazil. We have no Hollywood here. So, university movies are most of our "mainstream" production. There´s real space in our society to such almost-amateur movies. Because, without them, the country would almost not have any national cinema production at all.

In fact, I just deleted the entire text of the 3 articles right now.

It was a nice discussion. Apart the few offensive messages that some people wrote about me, it was a fair discussion. Now I must work on a new text about one of our historical movements: Integralism, the doctrine of the sigma. Good night to all of you.

-- Fabio  - user: fabioburch