Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The silver ship and the sea


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   no consensus. Spartaz Humbug! 05:50, 13 August 2010 (UTC)

The silver ship and the sea

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No reference to show notability, did a google news search and came up blank for this book mark nutley (talk) 23:30, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete - doesn't appear to meet Notability_(books) by any of the given criteria. It would be better to create an article about the author, who seems to be well-regarded.
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Literature-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 01:18, 7 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Science fiction-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 01:18, 7 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete or move to author article maybe we can just move this to the name Brenda Cooper, stubify it, with a brief synopsis for this book and her other two, per her amazon page. she seems to pass notability.Mercurywoodrose (talk) 04:14, 7 August 2010 (UTC)
 * commentThis (AfD) seems to be a bit early; the article was created today and the first edit was a prod (oops, now yesterday.) Give the four////three (one of the four is the nominator and the prod-er) people working on it a couple of days. It did win the Endeavour Award. I have not read it, a single article about the trilogy (if that's all there are) might be more appropriate. Ms. Cooper should have her own article, I agree. htom (talk) 04:35, 7 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete. I'm not even sure the Endeavour Award is notable enough. It's just a regional award.  Everard Proudfoot (talk) 06:16, 8 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep, or incorporate a shortened version of this in an article on the author. I added references to the Endeavor award, and to an award and review by the American Library Association.  There is also a review in Analog which I read a while ago; I won't be able to check it until I get back home.  Cardamon (talk) 07:19, 8 August 2010 (UTC)
 * I've added references for the Analog review (Analog reviews are, unfortunately, not currently available online), and also to a short review.  By the way, I also tagged the article for rescue.  Cardamon (talk) 07:17, 9 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Keep Google news search shows a French news source mentioning the Endeavour Award, which this book won. Other places that Google news search considers notable enough to show results from, do review the book.  Not sure if any of those count as a reliable source, and some articles require payment to view them, so not sure how much mention is given to the book in question.  Winning a notable award is enough to prove its notability though.   D r e a m Focus  10:49, 9 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete The question is whether the Endeavour Award can be considered a "major literary award" as required by WP:NBOOK. Since it is a regional award that covers about 2 states, it is questionable.  If this award is the only thing we're hanging out hat on for notability, then I interpret it as non-notable.  Creating an article on the author and merging some of this material into it (as suggested above) is a good idea.    Snotty Wong   confess 19:39, 9 August 2010 (UTC)
 * I think it is now up to the low end of being the "subject of multiple, non-trivial published works appearing in sources that are independent of the book itself, with at least some of these works serving a general audience" as WP:NBOOK Criterion #1 puts it. Cardamon (talk) 07:37, 10 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Keep reasonable nom at the time, but the improvements from editor Cardamon are sufficient to establish noteability. FeydHuxtable (talk) 18:18, 10 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment: For those of you who are trying to "rescue" this book article, how about writing an article about the author first? Everard Proudfoot (talk) 21:29, 10 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep The novel, while not in the mainstream, seems fairly notable in its genre, especially for a book that's only three years old. Also, I've added a brief section: Development and Themes. The two sources cited in there can be mined for a lot more information; I just don't have the time to expand upon it at this moment. As for Everard Proudfoot's comment, there's no rule saying that Wikipedia has to be created in any particular order. Efforts should be focused on developing this article to the point of stand-alone-ability before being diverted to the author.— Code Hydro  15:59, 11 August 2010 (UTC)
 * So far, folks have said the book is notable because the prize is notable and the author is notable. It would be easier to defend the notability of the author if she had an article. If the book is not notable in itself, a good way of keeping the material would be to include it in an article about the author, as several editors have suggested above (including me, but I forgot to sign it). --Northernhenge (talk) 18:18, 11 August 2010 (UTC)
 * I have begun an article on the author, help appreciated :) mark nutley (talk) 19:05, 11 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Note: This article has been nominated for rescue. — Code Hydro  16:14, 11 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep The reviews show notability.    DGG ( talk ) 04:13, 12 August 2010 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.