Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Theaghenis Dhionysatos


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The result was nomination withdrawn. Sir Sputnik (talk) 18:12, 14 January 2012 (UTC)

Theaghenis Dhionysatos

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Article about footballer who may possibly pass WP:NSPORTS - if the Greek third level is considered fully-pro, but doesn't appear to have any chance of meeting WP:GNG and this person has only spent one season at a possibly notable level of football. I found a few regional league (fourth level) match reports that mention his name and one reliable source that mentions a match where he competed against his brother in the regional league, but I can't see how that is multiple instances of significant coverage. Let's use common sense because this article will never be more than it is now. Jogurney (talk) 15:59, 10 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. Jogurney (talk) 16:14, 10 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Comment - I'm sure a Greek editor could find out information about his career prior to 2007-08 (when he ws 32/33) - there's a full 15 years missing! Perhaps notability can be found there? GiantSnowman 16:26, 10 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Perhaps, but I found no mentions of him at RSSSF.com (which has pretty decent coverage of lower-tier Greek football in the early 2000s) and the only mentions he gets at EPAE.org are from his brief stint in the Gamma Ethniki with Aiolikos. If he played in the first or second level of Greek football, surely we could find mentions of him at places like contra.gr or enet.gr when searching his Greek-alphabet name - but I cannot find anything. Jogurney (talk) 16:39, 10 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Sportspeople-related deletion discussions.  • Gene93k (talk) 19:04, 10 January 2012 (UTC)


 * Keep per WP:NFOOTY: "Players who have appeared, and managers who have managed, in a fully professional league, will generally be regarded as notable" - WP:FPL class the Greek Football League 2 as a fully-pro league. ŞůṜīΣĻ ¹98¹ Speak 13:39, 13 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep - 30 appearances in a fully-pro league indicates notability. Article should be improved, not deleted. GiantSnowman 13:44, 13 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Comment. There isn't a source included that indicates he made 30 appearances that season. The article's only source lists the team sheet for a single match.  Mattythewhite (talk) 13:52, 13 January 2012 (UTC)
 * So it does. What does the asterisk next to his name mean? Captain? GiantSnowman 13:55, 13 January 2012 (UTC)
 * It does mean captain. If you do this search, you can find a number of match reports showing Dionysatos (if this article is kept, it ought to be moved to Theagenis Dionysatos) playing in the third-level of Greek football during the 95-96, 97-98 and 07-08 seasons. I have no idea how many matches he played in total, but it's probably close to 30 (yet, there is no other source to verify the totals - just a bunch of match reports). I realize the article passes NSPORTS, but I'm not sure what can be done to improve the article except citing a bunch of match reports (which do nothing other that show he appeared in the match). Jogurney (talk) 15:53, 13 January 2012 (UTC)
 * I have asked, a Greek editor who does a lot of football edits, to see if he can find any sources. GiantSnowman 15:58, 13 January 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm afraid I don't have much to add. I can verify that he still plays for Aiolikos, as he was voted for captain on 24 September 2011, and that I've also found lots of Aiolikos match reports. (cannot be used for sources, as they are considered routine coverage – and there were no reports from 1995 to 1998, where did Jogurney find them?). However, I have found a reliable source citing Theagenis' appearances with Aiolikos up to 31 December 2008 (when he moved to Kalloni): – "[...] he made 129 appearances in the Gamma Ethniki (7 with Acharnaikos and the rest with Aiolikos)", so there is no doubt he passes WP:NFOOTY, but there is no source citing his appearances from 2009 to now. Furthermore, Patraikos as his former club is supported only by this highly questionable source, I suggest we remove it. –  Kosm  1  fent  16:56, 13 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Thank you Kosm1fent. Based on your findings, I've attempted to incorporate the sentragoal and onsports references and cleaned up the article (removing the unsourced Egaleo and Patraikos mentions) and I am satisfied that the article could pass the GNG. I would like to withdraw the deletion nomination, but I don't know how. Jogurney (talk) 17:30, 13 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Just by stating that "I would like to withdraw the deletion nomination" - which you have done. GiantSnowman 17:32, 13 January 2012 (UTC)
 * You are welcome. I'm not sure he passes GNG (I don't think the media coverage of him can be considered significant), but he certainly passes NFOOTY. Cheers. – Kosm  1  fent  17:58, 13 January 2012 (UTC)


 * Keep per comment of mine above. – Kosm  1  fent  16:56, 13 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep. Passes WP:NFOOTBALL. Credit to Kosm1fent and Jogurney for establishing notability.  Mattythewhite (talk) 02:33, 14 January 2012 (UTC)


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