Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Thelion


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete--Ymblanter (talk) 08:31, 25 May 2013 (UTC)

Thelion

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unverifiable, Neologism or hoax not notable, WP:NOT#DICTIONARY Djdubay (talk) 10:12, 17 May 2013 (UTC)

After checking this word against Terminologia Anatomica and in every major dictionary including Webster's 11th Collegiate, Webster's 3rd New International, Random House Unabridged, American Heritage Unabridged, Chambers (for possible British usage) and lastly, but not least, the Oxford English Dictionary, I can find no limited evidence this is now or has ever been an actual English word. It would appear to be at best a Neologism, if not an actual hoax page. Reviewing the history, it apparently has never had any meaningful verifiable content, and its only recent revision was to add it to the appropriate anatomy template after being flagged as an orphan page in 2009.

The appropriate anatomical term is simply "nipple", and the Latin is papilla mammaria. The closest current word I could locate is "thelitis" from the Greek "thele" (nipple) and "-itis", meaning inflammation of a nipple. See the page "Fissure of the nipple" on this subject, which probably should have "thelitis" as an alternate title.

Also, "bustpoint" is not a term in the clothing industry, the closest term is "bustline" for the measurement taken across the fullest part of the bust.

File:Bustpoint.jpg the image on this page is used only by this page and should also be deleted.

Djdubay (talk) 10:18, 17 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Comment. No hits on Google Books or Google Scholar. The term bustpoint yields some results on Google Scholar, however. I haven't checked whether that is enough for establishing notability, though. --  Toshio   Yamaguchi  12:14, 17 May 2013 (UTC)


 *  Comment - I left a message on the talk page of this page's creator, who is still active as of this month. Hopefully that gives insight into this page. Lucy346 (talk) 19:44, 17 May 2013 (UTC)
 * I found the word 'thelium'. Could this be a misspelling of that, or another word? Lucy346 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 20:10, 17 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Comment Thanks for the challenge with 'thelium'. The only source of that word I've found is Webster's New International, Second Edition (1934)  That source gives it as New Latin from Greek thele and defines it as a papilla or a nipple.  Checking Webster's Third New International (1961) once again, I confess that I finally DID find 'thelion', given as New Latin from Greek thele and New Latin -ion, a diminutive suffix, and defined as "the central point of the nipple."  So I must recant on the basis of neologism or hoax, but I do continue to question on the basis of notability.  I should note that 'thelium' does NOT appear in Webster's Third New International, so it appears that the word fell out of usage by 1961.  It would appear that 'thelion' would suffer a similar fate, should Merriam-Webster ever publish a forth edition.  Neither word appear in Webster's Collegiate, nor in the OED.  There is no usage in medical literature that I'm aware of. Certainly, it fails "significant coverage" as it can only be traced to a single source, and an outdated one, at that.  Based on this additional research, I stand by the delete request as a stand alone page, and for File:Bustpoint.jpg, a gratuitous graphic that does not add meaningful content.  If it's felt that the definitions of 'thelium' and 'thelion' are for some reason important, I'd suggest an edit on the page Nipple, rather than a stand-alone page.

Djdubay (talk) 00:02, 18 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Redirect/Merge - Lucy346 (talk) 07:03, 18 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete - Wiktionary is suitable. - Lucy346 (talk) 16:22, 19 May 2013 (UTC)

Djdubay (talk) 16:00, 19 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete WP:NOT#DICTIONARY The total value of this page is only as a dictionary entry for an obscure word.  I have gone ahead and created entries in Wiktionary for thelitis, thelium, and thelion, as discussed here, and have earned a Request for Verification before I even finished editing the pages!  If Wiktionary is challenging these words so darn fast, why do they belong in Wikipedia??

Djdubay (talk) 09:51, 20 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Comment for anyone interested, I have a user page up explaining my interests and how this request fits in the larger scheme of what I'd like to do here. Also, a talk page has been opened.  Feel free to say hello.
 * Delete The word "thelion" does not seem to exist. The word "thelium" clearly does exist (it's in Stedman's Medical Dictionary among other places) but it does not mean what this definition says; it means "a nipplelike structure" or "a cellular layer" . The "cellular layer" definition gives rise to words like epithelium and endothelium. --MelanieN (talk) 00:33, 25 May 2013 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.