Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Then falls caesar


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The result was   delete.  MBisanz  talk 13:41, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

Then falls caesar

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Non-notable band. Does not meet any criteria of WP:MUSICBIO. McWomble (talk) 07:56, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

Meets Criteria: Has become the most prominent representative of a notable style or of the local scene of a city; note that the subject must still meet all ordinary Wikipedia standards, including verifiability. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Baggydj (talk • contribs) 08:02, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment. And the reliable sources backing up that claim are.....? McWomble (talk) 08:07, 16 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Comment. Highest noncorrupted myspace page views and song plays of any band in local area. Therefore, Then Falls Caesar has become the most prominent representative of a notable style of local scene in city - Hillsborough, New Jersey.

http://myspace.com/thenfallscaesarnj —Preceding unsigned comment added by Baggydj (talk • contribs) 08:12, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment. Myspace is not a reliable source. Falls under self-published sources, hence fails the verifiability policy. The threshold for inclusion in Wikipedia is verifiability, not truth. McWomble (talk) 08:22, 16 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Comment. Myspace's play counter is not a self-published source. Nor is its view counter. As such, these verifiable elements of myspace do not specifically fall under self-published source criteria. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.52.215.67 (talk) 08:32, 16 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Delete. A quick Google search turns up 1400+ hits, but almost all are social networking sites, forums or streaming music sites.  I couldn't find any reliable sources to support a claim of notability.  Linguist At Large  08:38, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions.   -- • Gene93k (talk) 09:25, 16 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Delete, fails notability per WP:MUSIC. No reliable sources.   Esradekan Gibb    "Talk" 09:37, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete: per LAL. Schuy m 1  ( talk ) 14:24, 16 November 2008 (UTC)


 * [[Image:Symbol delete vote.svg|15px]] Delete — This band has not toured at least statewide, which I'm pretty sure is actually the requirements for wp:music. Also, no reliable sources, and it doesn't seem that anyone is going to find any. - NuclearWarfare  contact me My work  16:41, 16 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Delete Band fails WP:MUSIC; it's only source appears to be the band's own Myspace, which is, let's face it, the least reliable source you can possibly use. No releases (barring the self-released demo), no significant coverage in independent, third party sources. You can tell people are getting desperate when they're referring to Myspace hit counters for notability. See WP:GARAGEBAND. Blackmetalbaz (talk) 17:02, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Living people-related deletion discussions.   -- Raven1977 (talk) 00:45, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete Fails WP:MUSIC on every point. sparkl!sm hey! 08:57, 19 November 2008 (UTC)


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