Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Theo Lengyel


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The result was delete‎__EXPECTED_UNCONNECTED_PAGE__. G4 and SALTing can be applied by any admin if disruptive recreation is a problem. Owen&times; &#9742;  16:04, 8 February 2024 (UTC)

Theo Lengyel

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Lengyel does not meet the specific criteria for notability of musicians: he was a member of Mr. Bungle, but criterion 6 requires having been a "reasonably prominent member of two or more independently notable ensembles". I have been unable to find much coverage of his time with the band, and it's not fully independent (such as the semi-official history of the band); such sources as there are disagree on what year he left. The article was started in 2005, and in December 2023 I found it containing uncited specifics and the only reference on his career being a dead reference for a disparaging quote. I searched for sources and rewrote it like this. (Morbidthoughts has since removed the sources on his career as insufficiently reliable for a BLP, after I noted the article at the BLP noticeboard.) The impetus for my edit was that he was in the news as a suspect in the disappearance of his girlfriend. Since then her body has been found, and he has been arrested and is being held on murder charges. I had meanwhile redirected the article to Mr. Bungle, but the news coverage led .usarnamechoice to revert that redirection on January 4. There have been several news articles. In addition to the SFGate article we are currently citing for his being a person of interest, there are The Santa Cruz Sentinel and NBC News. In addition to SFGate and Pitchfork that we currently cite for his arrest and the murder charge, there are The San Francisco Chronicle, the Associated Press, the Los Angeles Times, and The New York Times. The latest news I can find is on a second deferment of his arraignment, Santa CruzSentinel, January 16. The vast majority of this coverage is based on police announcements; for example, the statement that he has also gone by Mylo Stone, which I have been unable to corroborate—there is a younger musician called Mylo Stone who is a UK rapper, so I have recently reverted addition of that reported alias to the article. The LA Times article describes Lengyel's vehicle and gives its license plate. But that and the Mr. Bungle sources are pretty much it for biographical details; we know more about his girlfriend, thanks to coverage like that Santa Cruz Sentinel article. So the article is in effect a WP:BLP1E and bad from a WP:BLPCRIME point of view. The two claims of notability are both inadequate and don't add up to enough for an article. It would be pure WP:CRYSTAL to hold that the legal case will eventually provide sufficient coverage to overcome the "one event" problem, or lead a music journalist to write about his music career. So although this discussion will take up the time of members of the community, I believe that this biography of a living person needs to be deleted. Yngvadottir (talk) 01:45, 1 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Automated comment: This AfD was not correctly transcluded to the log (step 3). I have transcluded it to Articles for deletion/Log/2024 February 1.  —cyberbot I   Talk to my owner :Online 02:07, 1 February 2024 (UTC)


 * Delete, per Yngvadottir's excellent analysis above. As I commented when this was raised at WP:BLPN, being a member of a notable band doesn't inherently create independent notability, and nor does being arrested as a murder suspect. AndyTheGrump (talk) 02:55, 1 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Delete insufficient notability. - Altenmann >talk 03:55, 1 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Hungary-related deletion discussions.  CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 04:07, 1 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions.  CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 04:07, 1 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions.  CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 04:07, 1 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Restore the Redirect the nom recently created in keeping with ATD and protect that redirect to stop repeated recreation of a page. Nom rational is sound and well articulated. duffbeerforme (talk) 23:17, 1 February 2024 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.