Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Theosophy and music


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete.  Sandstein  19:55, 15 January 2020 (UTC)

Theosophy and music

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Original research, namely a synthesis of many cases when theosophists did music or musicians were interested in theosophy. Most of the sources are either theosophic (and thus not independent, as WP:RS requires) or not consider the topic in any depth, like mentioning a membership of a person in Theological society. The section "The Theosophical theory of sound" is rather different from the rest of the article, but it does not cite enough independent sources either.

P. S. See also a similar nomination for "theosophy and politics" and the nomination in ruwiki. Wikisaurus (talk) 00:41, 25 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Automated comment: This AfD was not correctly transcluded to the log (step 3). I have transcluded it to Articles for deletion/Log/2019 December 25.  —cyberbot I   Talk to my owner :Online 01:00, 25 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Religion-related deletion discussions. Coolabahapple (talk) 09:56, 27 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Arts-related deletion discussions. Coolabahapple (talk) 09:56, 27 December 2019 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: Given the reasoning claimed in the nomination, this needs community input about the sources and their relationship to the text.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, RL0919 (talk) 01:20, 1 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Comments - I see some erroneous material and plain original research. Two examples: Holst had nothing to do with theosophy (his religious beliefs were mainstream protestant and two of his works are included in the Episcopal Church's Hymnal 1982, while his exploration of Hindu religion was a phase). Olivier Messiaen was a standard Roman Catholic and as professor at the Paris Conservatoire he was pretty mainstream; his inspirations were St. Francis and the Transfiguration, not theosophy. While his music was radical, his professed beliefs were not! Is this such a mess it cant be saved? Bearian (talk) 21:20, 6 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Ping me if you want to save this, otherwise count me as a delete vote. Bearian (talk) 21:21, 6 January 2020 (UTC)


 * Weak delete If someone expressed a desire to fix the article, I would vote keep. But its a mess of WP:OR and essay-like writing. WP:TNT may be the best option here. Captain Eek  Edits Ho Cap'n!⚓ 07:10, 8 January 2020 (UTC)
 * I have desire to fix the article, and already I do it. SERGEJ2011 (talk) 08:06, 8 January 2020 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: User:SERGEJ2011 has volunteered to fix the article and the fix is now ongoing. I am hereby relisting so as to give adequate time to reach a more clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  NNADI GOOD LUCK  ( Talk &#124; Contribs ) 12:18, 8 January 2020 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.