Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Theramine


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The result was   no consensus.  Sandstein  08:35, 18 September 2011 (UTC)

Theramine

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no indication of WP:notability. Only sources that mention it are companies selling it. noq (talk) 10:18, 2 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Medicine-related deletion discussions.  —Tom Morris (talk) 13:01, 2 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Weak delete I did find one medical article evaluating the product and concluding "The medical food (Theramine) appeared to be effective in relieving back pain without causing any significant side effects and may provide a safe alternative to presently available therapies." Some of the authors of that study were from the company that manufacturers the product, but other authors were from UCLA School of Medicine and the article appeared in a peer-reviewed journal, so it can probably be considered as an independent reliable source. However, a single article in a single journal is not enough to satisfy Wikipedia's notability requirements.  --MelanieN (talk) 14:24, 2 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Theramine can refer to: a fictional food additive that makes animals grow huge, from the episode Attack of the Alligators! of the television series Thunderbirds;  a common misspelling of Théramène, the name of a character in Racine's play Phèdre;  a common misspelling of theremin, an early electronic musical instrument that is played without being touched;  the trademarked name of a medical food prescribed for pain management. Should we make this into a dab page or simply redirect to the alligators?  --Lambiam 19:48, 2 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Keep - An FDA-regulated drug. There are reliable third party sources, click here for "Theramine Clinical Study" with a downloadable product sheet. This site is not selling the product.Northamerica1000 (talk) 15:10, 3 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Click here to read the full clinical trial from the American Journal of Therapeutics, another unbiased, high-quality source that establishes notability. There are obviously other sources mentioning the subject other than companies selling it. Northamerica1000 (talk) 15:15, 3 September 2011 (UTC)


 * It took less than a minute to find reputable data in a Google search, and along with the link listed above here, there are obviously reliable sources that establish noteworthiness. Northamerica1000 (talk) 15:18, 3 September 2011 (UTC)
 * You said "Keep - An FDA-regulated drug." Are you saying that all FDA-regulated products are automatically notable? --MelanieN (talk) 16:01, 3 September 2011 (UTC)
 * RE: Sources: OK, we've now cited the American Journal of Therapeutics article three times - once by me and twice by you. That still appears to be the only reference in a peer-reviewed journal. Your other source is the Clinical Data page from the manufacturer, not an independent source. So we are still left with only one reference from an independent, reliable source - and as I noted above, that's not enough for Wikipedia, which requires multiple such sources. BTW if we apply the WP:ACADEMIC standard, and count the number of times that article has been cited by others to help determine notability - Google Scholar seems to say that it has never been cited a single time by anyone. --MelanieN (talk) 16:07, 3 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Delete: One source does not equal significant coverage. SL93 (talk) 19:47, 3 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep - There are reliable third party sources, click here for "Medical Foods: Overview Of an Emergin Science" with a downloadable pdf article. This article mentions the product Theramine and is not selling the product.Ggocemac (talk) 8:54, 6 September 2011 (UTC) — Ggocemac (talk&#32;• contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
 * I'm trying, I really am. Evaluating this source: it is posted at prnewswire, but it's not a press release; rather it is an article from an e-magazine called NGPharma, written by a profesesor and mentioning various "medical foods". So it is independent. And it does contain three sentences about Theramine. Whether this amounts to either reliable coverage or sufficient coverage is debatable. --MelanieN (talk) 00:08, 7 September 2011 (UTC)
 * RE: What about this published white paper by Frost & Sullivan, which mentions Theramine a couple of times in its "THE PROMISE OF MEDICAL FOODS Nutritional Management of Disease States" issue: click here .Ggocemac (talk) 11:18, 7 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Published? Published where? The link is to a blog, and the article does not come from a peer-reviewed journal or other WP:Reliable Source. It appears to be a report from a commercial market research company. I guess it serves as evidence that Theramine exists, but we already knew that. We are still a long way from notability. --MelanieN (talk) 23:46, 7 September 2011 (UTC)
 * RE: This document was published by RAND one of the top most well respected non-profit organizations, and mentions Theramine several times. click here .PharmaKarma (talk) 10:02, 8 September 2011 (UTC) — PharmaKarma (talk&#32;• contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.


 * Keep -- for the children! -- no, seriously, students really need dab pages like this. Bearian (talk) 21:26, 8 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Dab page? Are we looking at the same article? --MelanieN (talk) 22:23, 8 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Keep -- Theramine is also listed on the Official Disability Guidelines for Chronic Pain click here — Preceding unsigned comment added by PharmaKarma (talk • contribs) 21:48, 9 September 2011 (UTC) — PharmaKarma (talk&#32;• contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
 * Delete One uncited, yet to be published (Epub ahead of print), clinical study is insufficient for an article.Novangelis (talk) 21:55, 9 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Spartaz Humbug! 13:48, 10 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Keep: I think the description needs to be tweaked to include ingredients of theramine and why the formulation exists. There is no doubt that the product exists, it just needs a little better write up. I'm pretty sure that all citations are legit. NOTE: The preceding unsigned comment was added by User:76.216.155.97. — 76.216.155.97 (talk) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
 * Keep Google Book search shows various handbooks published that mention it. Also, listing all drugs helps the encyclopedia.  These aren't popular culture items, this is something actually educational, just like listing every species of plant are animal, type of mineral, etc.   D r e a m Focus  16:08, 13 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment: Those book hits are for a discontinued expectorant by the same name.Novangelis (talk) 16:30, 13 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Comment&mdash;The case for this article is pretty thin; I can find only one published scientific study and none of the web sources appear to be of unchallengeable reliability. I can't support a keep. Regards, RJH (talk) 18:52, 16 September 2011 (UTC)
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