Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/There Is No Normal Anymore


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   merge to List of V (2009_TV_series) episodes. The "secondary sources" are merely imdb and plot re-tellings, there's no in depth coverage (as is usual on such articles). Thus, since an obvious merge target exists, that is the obvious answer Black Kite 13:26, 24 March 2010 (UTC)

There Is No Normal Anymore

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Procedural nom, contested prod. Little or no real world relevance. No evidence that this episode is particularly notable. Consists entirely of plot and trivia.

I am also nominating the following articles for the same reason: Corporation Cart (talk) 08:29, 16 March 2010 (UTC) — Corporation Cart (talk&#32;• contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Television-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 22:56, 16 March 2010 (UTC)


 * OK, so please request deletion for each episode of The Simpsons, or Family Guy, or Star Trek, or House... C'mon man... By the way, I totally disagree with the request of deletion. --Wizard IT (talk) 00:55, 20 March 2010 (UTC)
 * See WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. Each article must be examined on its own merit, or in this case lack thereof. 121.45.214.114 (talk) 05:29, 20 March 2010 (UTC)
 * I know this is in the wrong place, but WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS specifically mentions Star Trek and that it DOESN'T examine each article on it's own merit but instead includes them all, simply because it's Star Trek.  Lime in the Coconut   18:40, 23 March 2010 (UTC)

 Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Corporation Cart (talk) 06:13, 21 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete. All plot and trivia. 121.45.214.114 (talk) 05:29, 20 March 2010 (UTC) — 121.45.214.114 (talk) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.


 * Delete Despite their lack of previous edits, the nominator and IP are correct. There are no secondary sources. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • (Many otters • One bat • One hammer) 16:21, 21 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Weak keep - I've found some secodnary sources, and lots of trivial mentions. I'd like to find and add reviews, but I don't have the time to look through huge pile of Ghits. Bearian (talk) 14:41, 22 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep - while i'm not a wiki lawyer and can't spout off past debate discussions, I don't see how this article "isn't particularly notable". I can see how it only consists of plot at it's current state but if you look at a lot of similar articles there's not much more to add besides guest stars, any references to other works (dismissed as trivia) or maybe the soundtrack (again, trivial).  I see the references to WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS but in that very article, under the section "Creation of articles" it references the various Star Trek series and that every episode in every series is given an article.  I'm at a loss looking through policies to find a model for articles on TV shows.  I looked through The Sopranos and noticed every single episode has an article.  Again, not trying to go with the "other stuff" argument but trying to find an established precedent.  None of the Sopranos' articles I read had references, and consist of little more than plot.  The same can be said for 99% of TV episode articles.  The difference here, as I see it, is that this show is in it's first season and particularly popular (#2 in timeslot).  It hasn't been broadcast worldwide yet.  It's still in the first season, with several episodes to come.  Look at the article on the pilot episode... certainly it is a much more in-depth article.  Given time (reasonable would be at least the end of the season, or even better, until the DVDs come out with extra material to add to each article) each page would look like the pilot's or the Sopranos, Simpsons, etc.  It's too early IMO to delete this page.  But if someone could point to a policy or precedent for TV episodes, it would make this much more cut and dry.   Lime in the Coconut   16:14, 23 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep - This was a well-written summary of a TV show and it was useful for me. ThunderE6 (talk) 03:11, 24 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Merge to List of V (2009 TV series) episodes. Virtually all nationally broadcast television programs end up having enough real-world information to write an article, so I don't really see the wisdom in eliminating the article when there's a perfectly acceptable merge target. Xymmax So let it be written   So let it be done  03:16, 24 March 2010 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.