Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Thesurvivor2299.com (2nd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   redirect. If anyone wants to merge some of the content from behind the redirect, they can get it out of the history. Daniel (talk) 08:34, 25 December 2013 (UTC)

Thesurvivor2299.com
AfDs for this article: 
 * – ( View AfD View log  Stats )

A hoax website about the Fallout 4 video game. In December 2013, the article was deleted following discussion at Articles for deletion/Thesurvivor2299.com. As indicated in a subsequent discussion at Deletion review/Log/2013 December 10, the website has subsequently received media coverage for being a hoax. The article is remanded to a new deletion discussion to determine whether there are (still) reasons to delete it. This is a procedural nomination, I am neutral.  Sandstein  14:39, 18 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Comment - As the closer of the previous AfD, I have abstained from comment at the DRV and will abstain from the AfD2 also, but I agree that relisting is an acceptable resolution. ☺ ·  Salvidrim!   ·  &#9993;  14:45, 18 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete - The media coverage in question is not documented in the article, and without that this article is little more than fan hyperbole. It's a mess in its current state, and is flagged for multiple issues. It should be deleted, and recreated again only if its re-created version is significantly more broad in its coverage. Given the widespread reporting on the website there's notability here, but the article needs to at least have encyclopedic content to stand on its own legs. CR 4 ZE (t) 14:57, 18 December 2013 (UTC)
 * I had a "delete or at best merge" stance in the previous AfD and endorsed the DR, but I will place myself as neutral/merge at this point (but certainly rewrite). I realize GNG can be interpreted in slightly different ways. As I said in DR, there are many reliable WP:VG/RS sources covering the website, there is no denying that. But my argument has been and is that they are not in-depth as GNG requires. They are a single news event briefly covered by specialized (video gaming) media. The issue is that the entire coverage rests on the same material and is pretty much the same between the sources. The hoax does not appear in mainstream media, nor does the specialized media place it in context of cultural significance. I don't consider the sheer volume of sources to be the threshold for GNG, rather their in-depth quality, but I will concede that multitude of sources can also be considered a valid reasoning. If the content is to be preserved, I still maintain merging to Fallout 4 or some list of hoaxes is the preferred route. — HELL KNOWZ  ▎TALK 14:58, 18 December 2013 (UTC)
 *  Merge and redirect to Fallout 4 or Fallout (series) per that AfD. Website has slim notability for being a hoax created by and for fans of the video game. Sources cover it entirely in that context. It warrants only a mention there at this point, but has been covered enough to expect that someone might come here looking for it. Ivanvector (talk) 15:24, 18 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Merge and redirect as per Ivanvector Kristjan Wager (talk) 15:46, 18 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of video game-related deletion discussions.  • Gene93k (talk) 19:25, 18 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Websites-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 19:26, 18 December 2013 (UTC)


 * Delete Highly detailed trivia. Single-event hoax, not particularly notable even in the context of the game. Staszek Lem (talk) 20:50, 18 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Comment: the Fallout 4/Fallout (series) AfD that I mentioned above has concluded with a consensus that the game is not notable enough for its own article, and Fallout 4 has been redirected. Since this is a hoax about the game which is currently non-notable, the hoax is certainly not. There is already a brief mention about this hoax website in the Fallout 4 section of the merged article, which repeats everything from this page which is in any way useful, so Thesurvivor2299.com is now redundant. Ivanvector (talk) 21:27, 18 December 2013 (UTC)

Jesus Christ, how many times are you going to play this game? PROTIP: use rewrite and update tags, and post on a talk page. --Niemti (talk) 21:30, 18 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Because tags always have a productive result? Please. If you don't have anything useful to say then just don't.  Я ehevkor ✉  23:57, 18 December 2013 (UTC)


 * Redirect to Fallout (series). The hoax is only notable in relation to the series, and the Fallout series page already says what needs to be said about. Novusuna talk 23:18, 18 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Redirect to Fallout (series) or delete. There are many hoaxes on the internet, and this is one of them.  Wikipedia does not exist to catalog every hoax or website.  This is a minor footnote in the history of Fallout, and to assign any kind of notability to it is, at this point, WP:RECENTISM. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 03:35, 19 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete or redirect to series article. If redirected it should be protected to prevent re-creation.  Since the site was revealed to be unauthorized fan goofing around it's actually even less notable than last time it was deleted a week ago.  The site is now gone, so it isn't going to pick up any new notability either. Andrew Lenahan -  St ar bli nd  02:21, 20 December 2013 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.