Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Thieves in Black (2nd nomination)


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The result was no consensus. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont)  17:27, 4 March 2021 (UTC)

Thieves in Black
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I propose this article should be deleted and worked into the Conspiracy of Fire Nuclei as the only individual identified in this article has been charged as a member of this group. The intersection between these groups is hazy to me though outside of Dimitrakis so I certainly would like someone with a better understanding of the subject and of Wikipedia to take a look. W1tchkr4ft 00 (talk) 07:20, 9 February 2021 (UTC)
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 * Comment There was some coverage in the Greek media on the actions of the so-called "ληστές με τα μαύρα" (= Robbers [not Thieves] in Black). But it looks like it never went beyond the presentation of similar newsfeed, and that the term "Robbers in Black" was somehow loosely in use by the Greek police and the media to connect several incidents. Writing on this "gang" (if there was a formal one) is pretty much original research. ǁ ǁǁ ǁ Chalk19 (talk) 10:40, 10 February 2021 (UTC)
 * I do not believe this is a formal gang and te 'robbers/thieves in black' is a media invention to refer to some of the many active anarchist groups and teams in the area. Unfortunately though this is also original research but it is worth noting that this 'gang' does not turn up in any of the literature I have outside of a few news articles. W1tchkr4ft 00 (talk) 18:12, 10 February 2021 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Eh, I was ready to say delete, but then I went deeper in Greek sources. There is a fair amount on the case against Symeon Seisidis, Mario Seisidis, Grigoris Tsironis, and Dimitrakis. It appears the case went cold in 2010 (I can't tell from the machine translation)? It appears to be more than routine news/robbery since, "From 2002 to 2006, they committed seven robberies with a total booty of about 700,000 euros." Alternatively, the article might be better centered around the armed robbery of the Solonos Street national bank. I could be swayed by someone more familiar with the Greek sourcing but it's hard to say it lacks significant coverage after this and the above sources. Here's 2019 coverage, for proof of endurance, though unsure of source reliability. czar  19:48, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Daniel (talk) 09:50, 16 February 2021 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Eddie891 Talk Work 13:05, 24 February 2021 (UTC)
 * I was under the impression that this was a pure media invention, weaving a narrative through several disparate anarchist robberies but after seeing the above comments, namely Czar's, I agree with them, also looking forward to someone with a closer understanding of the material taking a look, this subject even does not get much say in the obscure en and es blogs I know of. W1tchkr4ft 00 (talk) 14:46, 24 February 2021 (UTC)


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