Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Thirteenth grade

 This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion of the article below. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record. The result of the debate was delete both.

I count 11 clear "delete" votes for Thirteenth grade, 6 "keep" votes (but two discounted - one anon user and one probable troll) and one "redirect". I count 13 clear "delete" votes for Fourteenth grade against one "keep" by a probable troll. I count three votes as too ambiguous to call though their tone is skeptical. I note that many people continued to vote to delete Thirteenth grade even after the rewrite, leading me to believe that the early voters deliberately chose not to change their votes. Rossami (talk) 05:03, 17 May 2005 (UTC)

Thirteenth grade, Fourteenth Grade

 * Are these term common in the United States?? I always thought the standard terms were college freshman and college sophomore. Georgia guy 01:23, 8 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete...never heard of this. Also, Wikipedia is not a dictionary.--MikeJ9919 01:14, 8 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Reiterate my delete vote for 13, and add my delete vote for 14.--MikeJ9919 15:40, 11 May 2005 (UTC)
 * We used to have a grade 13 in Ontario (otherwise known as Ontario Academic Credit), but as far as I know it doesn't exist at all in the US. Adam Bishop 01:15, 8 May 2005 (UTC)
 * I believe Grade 13 used to exist in several Canadian provinces. An article on its gradual elimination would be great, but this current page is not of much use. - SimonP 01:20, May 8, 2005 (UTC)
 * Comment. No, they are not common terms in the United States. Zzyzx11 (Talk) 01:45, 8 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. Thirteenth grade certainly exists in some European nations like Germany, but in its present state this is a pointless article. Harro5 02:02, May 8, 2005 (UTC)
 * Comment. Thirteenth grade does exist in the US, but it's almost entirely at private schools, and is rare there as well. --Mitsukai 02:05, 8 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Until recently there was a "Grade 13" in Ontario. In the mid 1980s it was renamed OAC and was abolished altogether a few years ago. 70.50.112.188 02:37, 8 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. As mentioned above, there's a lot of past and present examples of a thirteenth grade.  However, they do call it "Grade 13" not "13th Grade" in Canada. --Madchester 02:52, 2005 May 8 (UTC)
 * Keep thirteenth grade now, rewritten. The article nominated was "Thirteenth grade is the first year of college in most countries. Students are 18-19 years old and are called college freshmen." The article now is a helpful disambiguation page. No vote yet on fourteenth grade. Samaritan 03:57, 8 May 2005 (UTC)
 * No one uses "Thirteenth grade" when speaking of a College Freshman - at all. That kills that one. A disambig that states "a year of study at some private schools" doesn't say much to me at all either. I mean I can pick that possibility up from the name. Thirteenth grade should be redirected to Ontario Academic Credit or "Grade 13". And "Fourteenth grade" should be deleted. K1Bond007 04:05, May 8, 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep 13, Delete 14, new DAB page looks good, "fourteenth grade" only gets couple hundred hits. &mdash; Teknic Talk/Mail 05:55, 8 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete both. Not many hits, and among them, many are forums and/or other uses. Niteowlneils 07:28, 8 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete both' or redirect them to college freshman and college sophomore Stancel 23:17, 8 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete, made up terms. RickK 23:41, May 8, 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete both. "An uncommon term in the United States for a College freshman's year of study" should really be "a completely nonexistent term in the United States for a College freshman, except for the odd third-grader who's aghast to learn that he still has to go to school after twelfth grade", and neither of the other meanings remotely justifies an article.  Fourteenth grade doesn't have even that much usage. &mdash;Korath (Talk) 00:18, May 9, 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete or replace with redirects per Stancel. Radiant_* 12:10, May 9, 2005 (UTC)
 * keep please thirteenth grade is used Yuckfoo 17:59, 10 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Comment, no vote: I know my friends and I have used terms like "thirteenth grade" to refer to university or college that is neither prestigious nor particularly difficult (University of West Florida comes to mind for me). Mike H 02:12, May 11, 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. Maybe there's an article somewhere about 13th grade, but this isn't it. Jayjg (talk) 21:19, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete - Made up references combined with Grade 13 in Canada. If necessary redirect to Ontario Academic Credit -  T&#949;x  &#964;  ur&#949;  21:43, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete - Possibly Redirect to College Freshman, College Sophomore. Whig 06:26, 13 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep Thirteenth, Delete Fourteenth. "13th Grade" is a sarcastic or derogatory reference to a college that's not academically rigorous; the rewritten page is all that's needed on this topic. RussBlau 19:29, May 13, 2005 (UTC)


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