Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/This Allure


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. The part-membership of Brent Kutzle, even if taken into account for the band's notability, would still fail to satisfy WP:BAND that requires (#6) two notable members. As such, the criteria to judge this, since the band fails WP:BAND, is the general notability guideline and consensus here is that they do not have achieved sufficient coverage in reliable sources to be considered notable for inclusion at this point of time. Regards  So Why  08:29, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

This Allure
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This band apparently does not meet the notability standards of WP:BAND. A Google search shows plenty of entries to the band's MySpace page, but nothing of an independent nature. Furthermore, a Billboard Magazine search (www.billboard.com) shows no hit activity on any chart. Ref provided is to a distinct URL (thisallure.com) but redirects to the band's MySpace page. Manway (talk) 04:07, 26 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete With one independent label EP released some four years ago, 120 listeners on last.fm, and some youtube videos This Allure does not satisfy WP:BAND.  delirious  &amp;  lost  ☯ TALK 14:48, 26 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep Apologies for the removal of the original prod.  I don't have experience with deletion policies on Wikipedia and had erroneously thought it was to be removed once edits were made.  Anyway, while I understand the concern that this band is not widely known, I believe they are notable due to a few reasons.  ---Firstly, the high-profile status of one of their previous members.  The former member's current band had the highest-selling single of the decade ("Apologize") and since he is musically linked to this band/artist, it seems relevant and notable, in my opinion.  ---Second, if we are to use Last.fm plays and/or listeners as an indication of a band/artist's popularity or notability, cannot other social media website numbers be used similarly?  This band has significant current YouTube video plays (15,000+), Myspace plays (25,000+) and Myspace friends (2500+).  While not gargantuan numbers, they are of note.  In reference to Billboard.com, while that is most certainly a valid source, chart activity does not always reflect notability.  Ravi Shankar has never charted a song on Billboard either, and while he's achieved much on his own, he was initially notable because of his connection with The Beatles.  ---Thirdly, included in the article are cited references from outside sources and I did my best to remove the potentially biased/conflicted sources.  ---Furthermore, while not eligible for inclusion at this point, I know that this band/artist is speaking with two Grammy-nominated/winning producers, but since there are currently no citable sources, I've refrained from including that in the article, per inclusion guidelines.  I will readily admit that I am a fan of this band's music, which is one reason I'd taken the time to create the article to begin with, however, the article was NOT created to be, nor is it, a "sales pitch" for them. It was created to be informative and factual; no more, no less.  I believe they are notable at present and while Wikipedia is certainly not a speculation site, believe they will become increasingly notable in the near future.  JYumikawa (talk) 06:07, 28 October 2009 (UTC)
 * JYumikawa, just a note - you were perfectly within your rights to remove the initial prod. That particular one can be removed. And you are doing right by not removing this one. So far so good! I'm a musician as well, and despite my AfD, I wish your band the best of luck in breaking through - I know it's a rough road. --Manway (talk) 15:26, 28 October 2009 (UTC)


 * Manway, thank you for understanding and the encouragement. Want to go about all this the right way!  What do you play?  I'm not musical myself, but really enjoy finding new music and hearing the different songs that people make.  JYumikawa (talk) 22:24, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

 Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:17, 2 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions.  -- Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:21, 2 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Given that a member was a current member of the unquestionably notable band OneRepublic, I'm going to have to vote keep. Wiwaxia (talk) 01:26, 2 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: Brent Kutzle was a member of This Allure - THEN joined One Republic - not the other way around, according to the article. Kutzle is not a current member of This Allure. The MySpace page shows him as a "guest artist." --Manway (talk) 01:45, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

 Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Pmlineditor      ∞    08:23, 9 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Going to have to agree with delirious and lost here, just not notable enough and fails WP:BAND.  Athe Weatherman   16:29, 2 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Just to clarify, despite some edits to U2 related articles i am also a big fan of many indie bands and musicians. If there is a band that has established themselves over many years with at least a few releases and widespread touring of venues where tickets are sold through services such as Ticketmaster then i am more inclined to not vote for delete per this archived discussion of notability regarding indie artists. One such example is Carbon Leaf who did not have any charting on Billboard until their sixth studio album but won an AMA for a song on their fourth album. At this time This Allure's first full length album is WP:CRYSTAL. If notability is to be ascribed to them entirely because of a former member then all of Brent Kutzle's former associations would be due their respective notability too. To do that would be a mis-application of notability guidelines as Brent Kutzle, according to the chronology presented in the article and his BLP, did not contribute to This Allure's first EP. I do see an honest attempt at an article for This Allure. I never intended to imply the article was created as a sales pitch and would not be opposed to moving it to userspace for ongoing development if someone feels they can satisfy WP:BAND in some way before too long. As i am a big fan of cello rock i am going to at least do some minor copy editing on the article.  delirious  &amp;  lost  ☯ TALK  19:18, 2 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.


 * Delete Fails WP:BAND. No significant coverage. --Pontificalibus (talk) 10:50, 9 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete per the lack of significant coverage in reliable sources. A browse through the results on Google return no indication that this band passes WP:MUSIC. Cunard (talk) 07:31, 17 November 2009 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.