Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/This Is The Life (album)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result was Delete. FT2 (Talk 00:01, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

The key point is an assertion that the album is imminent (indeed listed on Amazon) and hence is bound to come out shortly, and that it is bound to be a notable album when it does, and WP:CRYSTAL doesn't mean deleting obvious imminent matters for the sake of a few weeks. I concur with the latter; we have good evidence its imminent release is confirmed, and not just speculative. The question therefore revolves around, would the album of itself (if released) be notable? We (obviously) have no evidence of sales uptake or critical reviews yet, only the hearsay of buzz that accompanies a new album, and which may or may not translate into billboards, acclaim, and sales. So the question rolls back, is the singer notable, to an extent that any album she is likely to release, is going to be notable? And looking at Amy Macdonald (singer), where this is described as a "debut" album, and little except self promotion is cited to demonstrate verifiably her own standing, that too is in question. (The "delete" view is mostly based on non-notability, either of the singer or of the album.)

With that as background, examining the points made in this discussion, the main keep reasons are that it is "from a very major label" (but not all major label albums will be notable), and that she is "deemed" (by whom?) to be "one of the hottest solo artists right now". AFD looks at evidence, not editor's hearsay; if she was that notable, then someone somewhere would have said so with authority in the music business, editorials, magazine front pages, etc. And this would have been cited. Nothing to evidence any of this from reliable sources is cited in this AFD or her article. So at the present, such views must be counted as editors' personal views and impressions. The last argument left, that it is given free release by iTunes, and listed on various sites doesn't of itself seem notable - those sites exist to make hype around albums. It's not by itself evidence the album is special, that its prospective sellers hype it as such. Again, if it was, or she was, then there would be reliable credible voices to cite to that effect. We don't have any evidence of these here, and the delete view seems to be supported by the evidence in this discussion.

(NB: - Salting declined; insufficient basis to salt for now.)

This Is The Life (album)

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Future album by non-notable signer. Unable to find anything but trivial coverage of the singer. Perhaps once she gains some notability, a discography will be appropriate. Not right now. Coren 22:40, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep Album release from a very major label. Certainly has some buzz, it's at #647 on Amazon even though it hasn't been released yet.  Why bother deleting it when it's virtually certain to be undeleted just a month from now? Andrew Lenahan -  St ar bli nd  22:52, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment, gak, I'm going to sound like an old crone or something. Not counting the fact that the future doesn't belong on Wikipedia, albums are notable when their musicians are, and even then they require independent coverage.  Besides, who knows if this album, regardless of buzz, will fizzle out and fade into obscurity or bust to the top of the charts?  Coren 23:04, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Firstly, the spirit of WP:CRYSTAL isn't to prevent us from covering albums a few weeks before their release. Secondly, she does appear to pass WP:MUSIC on at least two counts, (4 and 11), possibly more. Andrew Lenahan -  St ar bli nd  23:48, 25 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Delete unless a.) Amy MacDonald (singer) is notable enough for an article (there's already an unrelated author of that name), and b.) a page is created for her. Otherwise it's WP:CRYSTAL. Ten Pound Hammer  • (((Broken clamshells • Otter chirps))) 23:05, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Weak delete as the artist herself doesn't seem to be notable as per WP:HOLE. She could be, but I don't see anything in the article that says she is. If she's not notable, then her album is likely non-notable too. Ten Pound Hammer  • (((Broken clamshells • Otter chirps))) 23:41, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Amy Macdonald - Without the capital D for some reason. -- Jimmi Hugh 23:19, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
 * I've moved the page to its proper name (maybe we'll need a disambig now?) but that just opens up a new can of worms. Reading the article has not left me convinced of notability there either.  Is an iTunes single of the week enough to establish notability?  Because everything else on that page is self-published.  Coren 23:28, 25 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Delete I don't even believe the artist to be notable, and her being notable would not make this album notable. It clearly has had no serious promotion and is not well known. -- Jimmi Hugh 23:43, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Music-related deletions.   -- John Vandenberg 15:05, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Scotland-related deletions.   -- John Vandenberg 15:05, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete Article has no assertion of notability, and very little content other than a track listing. If I see some sources, I might change my vote Lurker  15:12, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep I'll add the sources for track listing as soon as the wikipedia server stops having problems. By the way, she's been deemed as one of the hottest solo artists right now. One of her videos I think had over 19000 views on youtube.com before her record label removed that version even though her album hasn't been released. Top bands in Scotland like Idlewild don't even get that many views. Her record label has built an official website for her and the fact that you can order the record on Amazon, HMV, Napster, iTunes, etc shows that it's not a small album. It's the second ever article I've made and I don't have time to spend time working on this but I do know that when you delete the article, it'll be recreated so I'd strongly advise you to leave it alone, it's not doing any harm. Fcsportfreunde 16:42, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Declaring your intention to disregard consensus on Wikipedia (should the consensus be in favour of deletion) is not a smart move. And YouTube does not count as a source for notability, since anyone can post there. Please see Notability (music) and find appropriate sources Lurker  16:46, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
 * DELETE and SALT as intention has been declared to recreate---and not yet notable.Balloonman 03:35, 30 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Weak keep There's enough buzz for the artist and album that I'd rather err on the side of inclusionism here...Release by a highly notable label and free iTunes pub is somewhat compelling. And I concur with Andrew Lenahan's reading of WP:CRYSTAL. &mdash; Scientizzle 22:58, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.