Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Thomas Chilton Jasper


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The result was merge to Jasper High School (Plano, Texas).  Sandstein  09:26, 18 November 2017 (UTC)

Thomas Chilton Jasper

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I'm not seeing anything that supports the claim that he was a "Confederate general" (of a single company?), and his business career is not particularly notable as far as I can see. Clarityfiend (talk) 00:53, 11 November 2017 (UTC)
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 * Comment Why are we here?  Notability?  If so, where are the WP:BEFORE D1 source search results?  Verifiability?  What does WP:DEL7 say?  Unscintillating (talk) 12:59, 11 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Far from being irrelevant, this man had a school named after him, is 'probably' a Confederate general, and meets WP:SOLIDER if he is. Dysklyver  14:43, 11 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete Confirmed not a general and therefore not notable under subject specific guidelines, fails WP:GNG, the article is clearly inccurate, although it does appear he had a school named after him. Dysklyver  15:37, 11 November 2017 (UTC)
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 * Coment He definitely didn´t serve as Confederate general in the war; though I can´t rule out any possible militia connection for sure. But the only time I can quickly find him is in muster rolls of Company C of the 6th Kentucky Cavalry in February 1863 where he is listed as Private. But his wiki-article said that he found a post-war veterans organisation - loads of people were made "generals" in those and that led to several people being titled as Confederate generals without ever substantially being such. Family lore and press coverage with public interest and agenda made this even worse. So either other signs or notability should be found or the article should be deleted. ...GELongstreet (talk) 15:15, 11 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete Having stuff named after you is not necessary indicative of notability. Notability is extensive coverage multiple reliable sources, which this articles does not have nor could I find when searching the web. Did not even find a sinlge book mention of him.★Trekker (talk) 15:27, 11 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete He does not meet WP:SOLDIER based on rank if there is no record of him holding the rank. I am unaware of ANY circumstance in which a general would serve in a lettered company.-- Georgia Army Vet  Contribs  Talk  15:36, 11 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Merge to Jasper High School (Plano, Texas). You guys are focusing a bit too much on the "Confederate General" bit - this guy lived for 60 years after the war, and did quite a bit (including founding a bank - Plano National Bank). However, sources I do find on his activities as a business man and figure in Plano Texas -    - do not seem to pass GNG - however he might pass on sources I do not see (this is the sort of period where archive access is needed, and not everything is digitized).Icewhiz (talk) 20:43, 11 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Merge to Jasper High School (Plano, Texas). School is definitely named after him. Fails WP:SOLDIER. Agree with General Longstreet that he most likely was one of those people accorded the accolade "general" after the war (in his case, possibly after 1996). (But to be fair, that's about as legitimate as anything the Confederacy ever did.)   Hawkeye7   (discuss)  21:42, 11 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Comment -- As I read the article, I asked myself what he did that was notable. He was clearly a significant local business man in his time, and would have been completely forgotten but for the school's name.  To my mind he was NN as a soldier, as a local banker, and as an oil entrepreneur.  Peterkingiron (talk) 17:15, 12 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Clearly he was not completely forgotten, given that the school was named after him half a century after his death.  Hawkeye7   (discuss)  20:11, 12 November 2017 (UTC)
 * This is a major local figure. Founding a bank, companies, civic leader. It would not be surprising if he had sources to pass GNG (which at the moment I do not see).Icewhiz (talk) 20:14, 12 November 2017 (UTC)
 * While that may be true, we can't keep articles in the hope that sources will surface, we need to actually know they exist. Like I said above, I could not find any mentions of him in any google book searches at all.★Trekker (talk) 20:17, 12 November 2017 (UTC)
 * I found some, see my !vote, but not enough. You have to be careful with middle names, and in this case he seems to be referred to as T.C. Jasper most often.Icewhiz (talk) 20:23, 12 November 2017 (UTC)


 *  Merge  Merge seems to cover the issues for now.  Unscintillating (talk) 20:38, 12 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep Now that the notability test qualifies this topic as a standalone, the encyclopedia is better organized with this topic as a standalone than as a merge.  Unscintillating (talk) 04:00, 14 November 2017 (UTC)


 * Weak keep - there is a lot of information about him on newspapers.com under a search of "T. C. Jasper", and some as "Thos. C. Jasper". On newspaperarchive.com, I find his June 16, 1924 obituary in the McKinney Daily Courier Gazette which gives a bit more information - one useful piece of information in that is that he lived in Mt. Salem, Kentucky (this information helps me be sure that the Kentucky newspaper results are about this T. C. Jasper). I am not unhappy with a merge outcome, but acknowledge that his career was covered in newspapers, not exclusively local, and he received coverage over a long period. Also, I think his career as a pioneer businessman is significant, both in Kentucky and Texas, and all together I think there is enough to suggest that he is a suitable subject for an article. Smmurphy(Talk) 18:26, 13 November 2017 (UTC)
 * From what I can see, all the newspapers just mention him in passing. That's not enough. Clarityfiend (talk) 23:27, 13 November 2017 (UTC)
 * With the caveat that I agree this is a weak case, here are three articles about Jasper, albeit from a small local paper: resignation as cashier in 1913, golden wedding anniversary in 1924, business deal in 1924. The wedding anniversary is the most about him, and, like obits, such an article could/should be discounted a bit. Also, looking more closely, I am only finding articles in any detail in local papers. Smmurphy(Talk) 00:50, 14 November 2017 (UTC)


 * Merge to Jasper High School (Plano, Texas). Just a minor local businessman. -- Necrothesp (talk) 14:15, 15 November 2017 (UTC)


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