Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Thomas Cobbold (1708–1767)


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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) Sulfurboy (talk) 13:20, 27 April 2020 (UTC)

Thomas Cobbold (1708–1767)

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Deprodded. Not seeing what makes him notable (likely fail of WP:NBIO). Sources are very poor - few mentions in passing in family tree, company websites, and such. BEFORE shows very little (don't confuse him with his father Thomas Cobbold (1680–1752) that gets a little bit more coverage and has borderline notability). Bottom line, he doesn't seem to have done anything that meets NBIO, and sources don't discuss his life in more than a passing 2-3 sentences. At best this could be merged to the article about his father, unless anyone can find a better place to retain this content? Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 02:21, 13 April 2020 (UTC)
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 * Merge to Thomas Cobbold (1680–1752), his father, the founder of the famous brewery. Worth a decently-cited mention there. This action could have been taken without recourse to AfD. Chiswick Chap (talk) 09:14, 13 April 2020 (UTC)


 * Keep: As User:Piotrus has noted before, sometimes this Thomas has been confused with father, Thomas Cobbold (1680–1752). This conflation has meant that often sources are unclear that it was this Thomas who moved the brewery to Ipswich, following which the Cobbolds became a very significant family in Ipswich. This is also confirmed by Diego Ricchiuti when working on The Vernon Project for Ipswich Borough Council (See Research: The Cobbold family] done while Diego was a student in Ipswich. As regards both Thomas Cobbold's he remarks: "For the first two members, there are only few information that can be found and confirmed, mainly because they were important figure in Suffolk but not England hero as Vernon." Baring in mind Diego's focus of research is connections with Admiral Vernon, it seems likely there is materially to be found as regards Cobbold's significant impact on the urban development of Ipswich. However, I am afraid my personal library is not really up to the job of supporting this, and thanks to the 2019–20 coronavirus pandemic, local public library resources are not currently open. Thus I would suggest that we have a pause in this discussion until after the current lockdown restrictions are sufficiently lifted to gain access to suitable reference resources.Leutha (talk) 09:20, 13 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Addendum: As Thomas senior founded the second oldest independent brewery in England it is hard to see why his notability should be considered borderline. The sort of sources available locally include Frank Woolnough's Souvenir of the bi-centenary of the Cliff Brewery 1723–1923 (1923), which although written nearly a hundred years ago is a good source. As we approach the tri-centenary of the Cobbold brewing business it strikes me that Wikipedia would be falling down in its remit not to have suitable pages on all the notable members of this significant Ipswich family.Leutha (talk) 09:47, 13 April 2020 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, buidhe 09:37, 20 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep Notable brewer per the sources identified above.  Cheers!  Andrew🐉(talk) 22:04, 20 April 2020 (UTC)


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