Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Thomas Flessenkaemper


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete‎__EXPECTED_UNCONNECTED_PAGE__. Participants effectively argued how this article subject does not meet notability guidelines such as WP:COMPOSER or WP:NMUSICOTHER. Tellingly, no additional work has been done on this article since the AFD nomination to correct its problems so I see no reason to relist this discussion. Liz Read! Talk! 20:55, 15 August 2023 (UTC)

Thomas Flessenkaemper

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I am not seeing how notability is met for this individual, much less how it was accepted at articles for creation with a draft sourced only to a sheet music store and his website. Why? I Ask (talk) 21:05, 8 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Bands and musicians and Germany. Why? I Ask (talk) 21:05, 8 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete. He doesn't appear to meet the requirements of WP:COMPOSER. None of his works are linked to articles, and the festival he (ephemerally) ran, the Amy Woodforde-Finden Music Festival, doesn't itself seem notable. He has been mentioned in independent sources, though all from the same paper, presumably local. 1 2, and a third already referenced in the article. Aamri2 (talk) 22:00, 8 August 2023 (UTC)
 * The listed links to the music store lead to the store of the publisher. However, the compositions can also be purchased from various other publishers (https://www.doblinger.at/Wir-sind-von-Gott-umgeben/220722). Thoyiqiwa (talk) 05:12, 9 August 2023 (UTC)
 * A look at the ISBN in the category CD recordings shows that the Wikipedia criteria in
 * WP:NMUSICOTHER are clearly met. Besides, all articles linked to the music store have their own ISBN. Thoyiqiwa (talk) 05:33, 9 August 2023 (UTC)
 * All the contributions of Thoyiqiwa have been practically in the contested article, which they also created. -The Gnome (talk) 11:44, 14 August 2023 (UTC)


 * I can locate more independent sources like the one you referred to - not from the same paper. Thoyiqiwa (talk) 05:45, 9 August 2023 (UTC)
 * The article is a translation from the original article, which is verified by further references and categorizations. Among other things, with the entry of the German National Library, where you are only included as an established and published author (https://portal.dnb.de/opac.htm?method=simpleSearch&cqlMode=true&query=nid%3D1214670822). Thoyiqiwa (talk) 05:11, 9 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Simply having published compositions and an entry in a library's database are not enough to established notability. Please note that the second point of WP:NMUSICOTHER means that he has to have notable compositions meaning that people have written articles about his music. Why? I Ask (talk) 00:27, 10 August 2023 (UTC)
 * We are not talking about just any library, but the German National Library. The GNL "is the central archival library and national bibliographic centre for the Federal Republic of Germany. It is one of the largest libraries in the world. Its task is to collect, permanently archive, comprehensively document and record bibliographically all German publications".
 * Regarding the other point: It is sufficient if one criterion is met in order to prove notability. But even further criteria in other categories are also met: WP:COMPOSER item 5, WP:NMUSICOTHER item 1 and 2, WP:NALBUM item 1. Thoyiqiwa (talk) 07:24, 10 August 2023 (UTC)
 * WP:NALBUM concerns albums; not musicians. Criterion #5 of WP:COMPOSER asks that our subject be "listed as a major influence or teacher of a composer, songwriter, or lyricist that meets the above criteria." Who might that "composer, songwriter, or lyricist" be? We have none. That leaves us with WP:NMUSICOTHER. Its criterion #1 is clearly DOA since classical music is anything but a "sub-culture" of music. Criterion #2 asks us to proffer "a number of notable melodies, tunes, or standards" our subject has composed. Yet, we find no such work in Wikipedia, the reason being none of them have been sufficiently notable for the encyclopaedia. -The Gnome (talk) 11:44, 14 August 2023 (UTC)


 * Delete since we cannot establish notability by WP:GNG or even WP:NCREATIVE. Let's wish this to be a case of "too soon". -The Gnome (talk) 11:44, 14 August 2023 (UTC)


 * Delete Sources don't meet GNG as of now, but this is perhaps WP:TOOSOON as The Gnome points out. Also worth noting the creator of the article is a possible SPA. Belichickoverbrady (talk) 20:35, 14 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete Very much per The Gnome, as we wish his career trajectory well. But at this point—and with Thoyiqiwa promising to bring fresh sources to the article for four days but being unable actually to do so—the sources do not exist to support the basics of WP:ANYBIO or WP:BLPSOURCES.  SN54129  13:17, 15 August 2023 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.