Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Thomas Flynn (Columban priest)


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The result was no consensus.  So Why  07:28, 20 June 2017 (UTC)

Thomas Flynn (Columban priest)

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PROD removed by article creator; nominated because of lack of notability & WP:NOTMEMORIAL TheLongTone (talk) 14:11, 18 May 2017 (UTC)
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 * Redirect to Manila massacre. The killings of the Columban priests were part of the murders of 100,000 civilians by Japanese soldiers in a short period of time toward the end of the war. There is no evidence these men's deaths were more notable than the deaths of the others. Edison (talk) 15:29, 18 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Seems a sensible ideaTheLongTone (talk) 14:00, 19 May 2017 (UTC)
 * No. It was not done by the Japs, but Communist rebels; and 1950, not 1945.  Peterkingiron (talk) 15:41, 20 May 2017 (UTC)


 * Keep to document where possible those who were killed. In these days of "denial" (e.g. Holocaust) it is important to include articles of victims as proof that these killings actually happened. Regards, — JoeHebda • (talk) 18:23, 19 May 2017 (UTC)
 * That would appear to be directly contrary to WP:NOTMEMORIAL. Bastun Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ! 14:49, 24 May 2017 (UTC)
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 * Keep -- potential case for canonisation as a martyr. Peterkingiron (talk) 15:41, 20 May 2017 (UTC)
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 * Delete. Clearly fails WP:Notability. Recreate if he's beatified. Bastun Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ! 14:48, 24 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep - clearly notable per WP:GNG. Potential case of canonisation.--BabbaQ (talk) 15:56, 25 May 2017 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, clpo13(talk) 21:59, 26 May 2017 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Comment The potential for canonization is insufficient to show notability. Evaluate the subject on currently available sources. Also, if the article is to be redirected, Manila massacre is the wrong target since the subject died under completely different circumstances. clpo13(talk) 22:02, 26 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete as a non-notable subject. The fact that a lot of victims died in similar ways doesn't mean that each individual victim is notable (and sadly may mean the exact opposite). Potential canonisation sounds like a classic example of WP:TOOSOON/WP:NEXTBIGTHING, as that specifically excludes articles on "potential" award-winners, record-holders, office-bearers and the like. No prejudice against recreation of an article if and when the subject is canonised, as that would surely generate sufficient coverage. BigHaz - Schreit mich an 23:09, 26 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep - I don't know about the other martyrs in this context, but Google Scholar gives 831 hits for this individual - and he is being examined for canonisation, so I would think that would make him an historical identiry. Deathlibrarian (talk) 09:08, 27 May 2017 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, -- Patar knight - chat/contributions 20:19, 4 June 2017 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Delete -- I'm unable to locate coverage that discusses the subject directly and in detail. I'm not sure where the "830 hits" in GS is coming from; I only see a couple of mentions. I suspect some are false positives as this is a common name. K.e.coffman (talk) 04:24, 5 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep The subject is notable, and the article provides the nucleus for an in-depth article to be built on using reliable sources.TH1980 (talk) 01:27, 6 June 2017 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, – XboxGamer 22408 talk 02:09, 12 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep per WP:GNG. Along with the Irish Times article already cited, there is some coverage in books. These are only available in snippet view but appear to be more than passing mentions: Mindanao mission: Archbishop Patrick Cronin's forty years in the Philippines (p. 129) and The Missions: Africa and the Orient (p. 76). StAnselm (talk) 01:42, 17 June 2017 (UTC)


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