Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Thomas Mantell


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   redirect to Mantell UFO incident. to Mantell UFO incident. (non-admin closure) — Hue  Sat  Lum  22:45, 9 June 2012 (UTC)

Thomas Mantell

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A U.S. Air Force captain involved in a UFO incident. Article has been around awhile. Fails WP:SOLDIER and is a case of WP:ONEEVENT. The event already has an article and anything about Mantell's involvement should be in that article. Bgwhite (talk) 22:40, 2 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Military-related deletion discussions. Bgwhite (talk) 22:41, 2 June 2012 (UTC)


 * Delete per WP:BLP1E nothing noteworth that is not already in Mantell UFO incident. MilborneOne (talk) 22:47, 2 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Convert back to redirect to Mantell UFO incident. That is what this article originally was, and which it should have been converted back to (per WP:BEFORE point C) instead of being taken to AfD. - The Bushranger One ping only 23:01, 2 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Redirect per The Bushranger. Anotherclown (talk) 23:43, 2 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Convert back to redirect. In this case it is the incident that is notable, not the person that was involved in the incident. •••Life of Riley (T–C) 00:15, 3 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Aviation-related deletion discussions.  • Gene93k (talk) 00:37, 3 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Paranormal-related deletion discussions.  • Gene93k (talk) 00:38, 3 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions.  • Gene93k (talk) 00:38, 3 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Kentucky-related deletion discussions. Unscintillating (talk) 18:13, 3 June 2012 (UTC)


 * Convert back to redirect Agreed with WP:1E. ChrisGualtieri (talk) 18:38, 3 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Comment As per WP:Articles for deletion, "While not required, it is generally considered courteous to notify the good-faith creator and any main contributors of the articles that you are nominating for deletion."  Unscintillating (talk) 21:49, 3 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Redirect :There is no case to delete the redirect, redirects are cheap; and no one has argued that there is a cause to delete the edit history, so deletion is not a consideration.


 * WP:SOLDIER states, "...an individual is presumed to be notable if they have received significant coverage in multiple verifiable independent, reliable sources." I had no trouble finding a reference in a book, and verifying the existing sources, all of which post-date 2001.  The argument that this topic fails WP:SOLDIER is not confirmed.  Even a source already in the article mentioned that this incident made headlines across the country.  The UFO article identifies this incident as a major shift in public opinion regarding the possibility of flying saucers.


 * My underlying !vote leans to keep, following the guideline in WP:BIO1E (AKA WP:ONESOURCE and WP:1E) that parses the differences between the case to keep and the case to merge. I think the continuing attention given to the person 64 years after the incident by the historian of the Kentucky National Guard and the people of Simpson County, expressed as a roadside sign in Simpson County, means that Mantell is getting attention directly without specifically caring why he was the first death in the Kentucky Air National Guard, or why so much media attention had been given to him in 1948 and in connection to the UFO incident.  However, I think that this is close call that would need more analysis, and in theory it shouldn't make a lot of difference to the encyclopedia whether the WP:V reliable material is kept at Thomas Mantell or kept at Mantell UFO incident.  I'm also not seeing a need to further develop the biography.


 * So, I have added the relevant material from this article to the Mantell UFO incident article and support a redirect to Mantell UFO incident. Unscintillating (talk) 21:49, 3 June 2012 (UTC)


 * Redirect Per BR and others. Intothatdarkness (talk) 14:19, 4 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Redirect per WP:SNOW. - LuckyLouie (talk) 14:19, 6 June 2012 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.