Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Thomas Penick


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The result was no consensus. (non-admin closure) buidhe 23:23, 12 April 2020 (UTC)

Thomas Penick

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Thanks for your work on this article. As a part of Wikipedia's new article review / curation process I just reviewed the article. In my opinion, this topic, to the extent visible in the article does not meet Wikipedia's notability guidelines which is a requirement for existence of a separate article on topic. This guideline is described at WP:Notability and in the specialized guidelines linked at the beginning of that page which provide somewhat of an alternate. The core element of wp:notability is that there are some independent published sources which covered the topic of the article in depth. Three of the four reference were check-able and were just listings type coverage. The fourth was not check-able be me, a book which was about an organization/ group that he was a part of, the L.A. Rebellion. I also found nothing that establishes him under the special notability guideline which would allow temporary bypassing of the sourcing/coverage requirements. Regarding his career in his profession, it appears that he directed a film in college as a class project, and then worked in staff positions in several other films and endeavors. I have marked the article for review under Wikipedia's Articles for Deletions process so that the community may decide. Perhaps this his coverage should instead be a paragraph in the L.A. Rebellion Regarding the history of the article, it was previously deleted. North8000 (talk) 16:38, 20 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Actors and filmmakers-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 16:39, 20 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Washington, D.C.-related deletion discussions.  CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 16:50, 20 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Ohio-related deletion discussions.  CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 16:50, 20 March 2020 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: Relisting the discussion

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Akhiljaxxn (talk) 02:03, 28 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete. Film editing and directing one minor short doesn't satisfy WP:CREATIVE. Clarityfiend (talk) 07:39, 28 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment - Tough case, seemed to be involved in a lot of important black cinema of the '70s and '80s. Worked with Charles Burnett, perhaps the most notable black filmmaker before Spike.  The sources may be out there.  Two of the four sources in the article were good, but it could be a case of many short mentions adding up to notability.  It will be tough to find articles about independent black filmmakers from 40-50 years ago.  Here's a short thing through JSTOR: .  Will try to find a "real" obit--I think the lack of one says more about The LA Times and Variety, for example, than it does him.  I think he definitely warrants a paragraph in L.A. Rebellion, at minimum.  Thanks. Caro7200 (talk) 13:18, 28 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Sorry, this is the title of the article in Black Camera: "The Touch of the "First" Black Cinematographer in North America: James E. Hinton, Ganja & Hess, and the NEA Films at the Harvard Film Archive." Caro7200 (talk) 21:00, 28 March 2020 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Keep. as suggested just above,  though remove the last paragraph as non-encyclopedic trivia.  DGG ( talk ) 18:02, 4 April 2020 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Phantom<b style="color: #55CAFA;">Steve</b>/ talk ¦ contribs \ 10:42, 5 April 2020 (UTC)


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