Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Thompson Iyamu


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep.  MBisanz  talk 21:38, 29 February 2020 (UTC)

Thompson Iyamu

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Iyamu doesn't appear to be notable under his stage name or real name. The sources are largely puff pieces and otherwise unreliable (especially those that I removed, which are part of a black hat SEO spam group and entirely fake.)

None of the remaining sources are in depth coverage, they're interviews or pieces unattributed to any actual editor from those papers. A search reveals more of the aforementioned "fake" news sites (like this one, who's editorial staff are stock images and famous people's photos) or press releases and interviews and his 4 self published books do nothing to establish notability. Praxidicae (talk) 19:26, 12 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 21:39, 12 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of United Kingdom-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 21:39, 12 February 2020 (UTC)


 * Keep. Both "Thompson Iyamu" and "P Tee Money" his stage name generate lots of news-related references when searched in googlenews. See This and This. The current citations on the page also meet the wiki notability standards. Hence, the topic is in line with WP:SIGCOV and WP:GNG. Also meets WP:BIO.Quarterto500 (talk) 11:25, 13 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Every single one of those sources are fake news outlets from blackhat SEO firms. Praxidicae (talk) 13:15, 15 February 2020 (UTC)
 * SIGCOV and GNG only applies to wp:Reliable sources, not any old crap that google search returns. This is the specific with which we are dealing that there is paid editing and puff pieces that are not reasonable to use in an encyclopaedia. — billinghurst  sDrewth  13:25, 15 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment: The sources cited are from widely known Nigerian newspapers. Graygraphiticus (talk) 10:13, 18 February 2020 (UTC)


 * Keep Speaking of sources that proves the notability of the subject, a quick web search of the name "Thompson iyamu" shows results from top news organisations like here, here and here. Meets the requirements for a WP:BIO page. ItsBiyi (talk) 01:02, 14 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep Despite that he doesn't seem to be in a high degree of notability, but by doing a related research on the internet concerning his name (e.g. here), it can be concluded that he might be considered --at least-- at a minimum acceptable degree of notability, to be kept instead of being deleted. Ali Ahwazi (talk) 20:45, 15 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment. The "Keep" votes seem suspiciously ... similar, don't they?  RobinCarmody (talk) 23:52, 15 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Agreed. Regardless, not one of the 'keep' voters has provided any fresh reliable sources, from what I can see. Domeditrix (talk) 11:38, 16 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete No reliable sources to establish notability. Per nom. Kevdaren (talk) 02:07, 16 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete Per nom. The existence of sources covering someone or something is not the same as coverage from reliable sources, which this subject lacks. Domeditrix (talk) 11:38, 16 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep This is not just another no-name DJ or rapper, and I see encyclopedic value here for Wikiproject Benin, especially since he is connected to the Benin Royal Family, Akenzua II, Princess Elizabeth Olowu. Multiple credits in many films with Wikipedia articles and collaborations such as Matthew S. Sources can eventually be improved but he is notable. Ambrosiawater (talk) 20:21, 16 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment: Sir, the Benin royal family is in Nigeria, not the country of Benin. Mr. Iyamu is clearly notable as a member of a historic royal family. His presence is very well-known in Nigeria, and no Nigerian in his right mind would ever want to delete an article of a royal family member who with a notable career abroad, unless he has some hidden agenda against him. Graygraphiticus (talk) 10:13, 18 February 2020 (UTC)


 * We don't keep unsourced crap in the hopes that it can be fixed later. Read WP:BLP and WP:V. Praxidicae (talk) 20:35, 16 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment: First of all, it is highly inappropriate to refer to a person of Benin royal descent as cr*p. That can get you into very serious trouble for lèse-majesté in some parts of the world. The Edo people had traditionally considered the Oba of Benin to be divine and held his family in very high esteem. Today, Edo people of royal extraction contribute to Nigerian and global societies in many ways as statesmen, educators, role models for our communities and defenders of our cultures.


 * This is deeply offensive to us Nigerians and reminds us of the time when Donald Trump used a very vulgar word to refer to Africa. Furthermore, your careless remarks bring to mind the Punitive Benin Expedition of 1897, when the British desecrated our royal families and plundered our Benin Bronzes. They tried to put an end to our centuries-old Kingdom of Benin, but we persisted and today have good relations with the British. But we are still hurting from the way oyibos (foreigners) have treated us. Please mind your words and bear our troubled history in mind.


 * Finally, I am not angry at you. I extend a warm handshake to you and all of the Wikipedians as a friend and brother. Should you ever want to get to know more about us, I will cordially invite you to the modern-day Kingdom of Benin, one of the richest, most fascinating and most enduring cultures in all of Africa. Graygraphiticus (talk) 10:13, 18 February 2020 (UTC)

Strong and speedy keep: I randomly came across this while curating articles on Edo history and just had to comment. I do not know what Praxidicae is talking about when he says fake sources and unsourced. WP:BLP and WP:V are very clearly satisfied here, with Thompson Iyamu being featured in multiple major Nigerian newspapers. Ask any Nigerian about these newspapers and he or she can confirm that these are major legitimate newspapers which everyone in Nigeria knows about. In Nigeria, they are the equivalents of The New York Post and The Telegraph. One of them is in fact almost 100 years old. These Nigerian newspapers are all covered on Wikipedia.


 * Daily Times of Nigeria, founded in 1925
 * The Punch, founded in 1971
 * Guardian, founded in 1983
 * Vanguard, founded in 1983
 * Independent

These are reliable sources that have dedicated entire articles for featuring Thompson Iyamu.

Here is the template of major Nigerian newspapers in case you are still not convinced:

So let me clarify a few more things. I was browsing and editing through many articles of Edo history and prominent Edo people when I suddenly came upon this article by chance. I don't know who wrote this and how this all started, but as a Nigerian of Edo heritage who actually knows about Edo (Benin) society, I just have to point out that any Nigerian will be able to tell you that this article should clearly not be deleted. Besides being known from his music career in the UK, Thompson Iyamu is from the prominent Akenzua family of Southern Nigeria, which is a historicaly important family that Nigerians from that area all know about.


 * So even though I don't personally know this family, any Nigerian from that part of Nigeria who is well grounded in Edo history is going to know about Akenzua II and his family. To my dismay, none of the voters here know anything about Nigerian families, Nigerian culture, or Nigerian media sources. Some of the opinions and claims here are blatantly incorrect.

We all know too well that the blatant systematic bias on Wikipedia (WP:WORLDVIEW) allows for topics in developed countries to thrive on Wikipedia, while African topics are not only underrepresented, but also often unfairly treated and purged due to all sorts of arbitrarily interpreted policies that often do not fit well into the African context. While Royal British and Scandinavian family members with notable careers in the arts have a very easy time, the fact that African royal family members with notable careers in the arts are harassed like this points to a deep systematic bias that the Wikipedia community seriously needs to address.

Have you ever wondered why the current members of the British royal family are not being similarly harassed on Wikipedia? Because of WP:BIAS. The Wikipedia community at large is predominantly non-African and has very little knowledge of how to properly select and curate encyclopedia articles that would be useful to Africans. Every month, notable Africans who have made invaluable contributions to society are deleted, while fake pastors, fraudulent businessmen and corrupt politicians of no obvious notability are allowed to thrive.

And royal family member or not, this is a musician and actor who clearly belongs in an online reference work, like Thompson's relative Peju Layiwola, also of the well-known Akenzua family. Touring with Weird MC, appearing in many notable films, and other films, he is also notable abroad. Back home, any Nigerian you meet in Benin City will tell you that this person is clearly not a nobody who should not be on an encyclopedia.

If there are any inadequecies, I will volunteer my time to improve the article's content and citations.

I am only giving my honest opinion here. I hope you will all think twice before saying that this article deserves to be deleted.

So keep this my brothers. Let's contribute to the encyclopedia, build our community and help the world with free, useful knowledge. Graygraphiticus (talk) 10:13, 18 February 2020 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  Sandstein   09:24, 20 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Strong keep: clearly passes the GNG. The article already has multiple independent reliable sources that discuss the subject in depth. --Slashme (talk) 10:48, 20 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment. Wondering now whether I should have been so harsh above.  Anglosphere bias concerns me as well.  RobinCarmody (talk) 23:21, 20 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep - I'm one of those editors who agree with deleting most DJ articles, but this one appears to meet WP:SIGCOV. Bearian (talk) 14:55, 29 February 2020 (UTC)


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