Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Thorne (The Vampire Chronicles)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   merge to The Vampire Chronicles. Spartaz Humbug! 19:02, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

Thorne (The Vampire Chronicles)

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Notability not established via reliable sources. Article has been unsourced for almost two years and is little more than a plot summary. Doniago (talk) 19:01, 17 August 2009 (UTC)
 * There seem to be quite a pile of articles like this in Category:Characters in The Vampire Chronicles, I suggest they be merged and listified. Beeblebrox (talk) 19:07, 17 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm amenable to that option. Doniago (talk) 19:11, 17 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Merging into a "charcters of" type article is usually the best way to handle these, and I see no immediate reason why that wouldn't work for this article. --ThaddeusB (talk) 21:26, 17 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Fictional elements-related deletion discussions.  —Beeblebrox (talk) 21:30, 17 August 2009 (UTC)
 * merge as usual. The argument for this has been given many times, and is usually accepted, sI don't need to spell it out. Accepted  compromise, and practical policy, even if it has to be made here because of stalemate elsewhere. . At worst  there always will be reason for a redirect, so the delete nomination isn't appropriate in the first place. WP:Proposed mergers is elsewhere/    DGG ( talk ) 20:48, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep Seven arguments against deletion:
 * +There is 180 Kilobytes amongst the Category:Characters in The Vampire Chronicles articles alone. That is 1.8 articles, at maximum capacity per WP:SPLIT, and three articles at the recommended splitting size of 60 Kb. It is unfortunate that they have to be 28 small articles, but at least that way they load quickly on slow computers. If concerns are about storage space, they do not take up more by being separate, and this AfD alone has taken up 140Kb just in the edit history for the seven edits to this page. Neither are the number of edits made more numerous because they are separate articles. Media are erroneously believed to be the primary contributor to storage space on WP, but as shown on my user page, it is actually edit histories. There is another alternative, but I find it so gawky and awkward that I do not recommend it: splitting the article into Characters A-I, J-Q, and R-Z. Yuck. We have a perfectly good category and some good articles.
 * +As can be seen from Anne Rice Vampires: Characters, the total list of Characters in the Vampire Chronicles is 52, not 28. Even splitting into A-D, E-H, I-M, N-Q, R-V, and W-Z articles would not be sufficient, assuming there weren't 15 names in one of the four-letter categories, again becoming too large. Small articles are preferable, as they are considerably easier to load on slow computers. Merging should be much more carefully considered than it is currently.
 * +The books are a blindingly obvious source of citations. I find such arguments incredibly annoying, as they bring up the issue of 'is it bad faith or is it ineptitude'; impossible to prove, censored by AGF, and in my opinion real problems WP-wide. Citation sourcing is a problem for the talk page in any case.
 * +Beeblebrox's suggestion is also an unpleasant alternative considering that it would merge main characters like Lestat with minor ones. Merging Lestat de Lioncourt with the other articles? Please. Keeping the major characters in their own articles and merging the minors still ends up with well over 100KB for the minors, and what is the distinction for characters other than Lestat?
 * +Note that this suggestion would also have an impact on Template:The Vampire Chronicles.
 * +As can be seen from searches for Benji (Vampire) and Sybelle (Vampire), AfDs and inappropriate redirects by URLs chip away at modern fiction subjects without any regard to notability].
 * +Sources for Thorne:
 * The Daily Missipian Online
 * Random House
 * Library Thing
 * Infinity Books Japan
 * etc Anarchangel (talk) 03:18, 22 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Merge. Simply not enough analysis to justify a stand-alone article. Abductive  (reasoning) 05:27, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.