Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Three Little Fish and the Big Bad Shark


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The result was keep‎__EXPECTED_UNCONNECTED_PAGE__. Star  Mississippi  02:16, 2 June 2023 (UTC)

Three Little Fish and the Big Bad Shark

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Three Little Fish and the Big Bad Shark

This article has no references, and has been sent to draft space once, and moved back to article space. Without references, the article cannot satisfy book notability (or any other notability guideline).

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗  plicit  12:53, 25 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Draftify as nominator. Robert McClenon (talk) 05:26, 18 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Literature and United States of America. Robert McClenon (talk) 05:26, 18 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep. I added some references, which perhaps the nominator might have found when doing WP:BEFORE. Eastmain (talk • contribs) 06:06, 18 May 2023 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Keep per Eastmain's decision. CastJared (talk) 21:28, 25 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Quote: But the PW review says it's by Geist and Gorton; no mention of Grace.  Neither Geist nor Gorton seems to be mentioned in en:WP outside this article; I have no opinion on whether either of them should have an article; if some editor believes that he should and quickly creates it, then the article discussed may be redirected into that new article. Otherwise, delete; because aside from the PW review (which is pretty humdrum), Eastmain's "some references" provide no evidence for notability: the three are a page from some retailer (not a disinterested source) that contains a mere blurb, and a couple of catalogue entries. -- Hoary (talk) 00:59, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

Keep per the significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources. Notability (books) says: "A book is presumed notable if it verifiably meets, through reliable sources, at least one of the following criteria:The book has been the subject of two or more non-trivial published works appearing in sources that are independent of the book itself. This can include published works in all forms, such as newspaper articles, other books, television documentaries, bestseller lists, and reviews. This excludes media re-prints of press releases, flap copy, or other publications where the author, its publisher, agent, or other self-interested parties advertise or speak about the book." Sources   The review notes: "Gorton's whimsical, computer-drawn scenery and electric color palette set just the right tone for Geist's tongue-in-cheek retelling. The bold font is humorously integrated with the art, appearing inside the shark's mouth for emphasis, or swirling along the current with an escaping fish. This spunky tale is a welcome addition to storytime and picture-book collections."  The review notes: "But the timid will find relief in the satisfying ending in which the once-scary shark gets his just desserts (in the form of a necessarily vegetarian diet). This brief, enjoyable read proves a fun adaptation that a new generation will likely savor."  The review notes: "Gorton’s digital illustrations are bright blocks of color and shape, and the facial expressions lend much to the tale. Great for educators teaching comparisons, and for ocean lovers."  The review notes: "This story is a variant of the “Three Little Pigs,” and it works wonderfully. A big, bad shark threatens to eat each house constructed by each of the three little fish, and each fish defies him with, “Not by the skin of my finny, fin, fin.” What makes this an effective version of the familiar tale is the bright colors, large depictions of the characters, and dynamic text that changes and moves with the story and its emphasis. The reader is put into the story as it happens. It’s very much an action- packed story in which the sister fish chooses wisely and the bad guy can’t get the best of her. The story ends with the toothless shark eating greens from a bowl." <li> The review notes: "Ken Geist puts a new twist on a classic children's story with "The Three Little Fish and the Big Bad Shark" (Scholastic, $6.99). Instead of threatening to huff and puff and blow the house down like the wolf did to the three little pigs, the villain in this book threatens to munch and crunch and smash their house in. To which the fish reply, "Not by the skin of my finny fin fin!" Julia Gorton's illustrations are as fresh and fun as this amusing, updated tale."</li> <li> The article provides one sentence of coverage about the subject. The article notes: "Be sure to include the fractured fairy tale, "Three Little Fish and the Big Bad Shark," by Ken Geist, for a few giggles and smiles."</li> <li> The article notes: "Three Little Fish and the Big Bad Shark by Will Grace and Ken Geist  The classic story of the Three Little Pigs gets an underwater twist in this colorfully illustrated book. With houses of seaweed, sand and a sunken ship and phrases like "Little fish, little fish, let me come in" and "not by the skin of my finny, fin, fin" this book is sure to be a favorite read-aloud for fans of sea creatures."</li> <li> The review notes: "This book is no different than that. It's a lot of fun with colorful images and lines that make kids giggle as they say them. Kids will love this. It couldn't quite hold the attention of the two-year-old I read it with, but she was almost there. The small, compact style of the book makes it super easy for little hands to hold and flip through because at that age they want to start doing everything themselves. "</li> </ol>There is sufficient coverage in reliable sources to allow Three Little Fish and the Big Bad Shark to pass Notability, which requires "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject". Cunard (talk) 09:11, 27 May 2023 (UTC) </li></ul>
 * I've removed the mention of Will Grace as an author as I can see no mention of him on the book's cover at https://archive.org/details/isbn_9780439719636/ or at https://archive.org/details/isbn_9780439719636/page/n8/. Cunard (talk) 09:11, 27 May 2023 (UTC)


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