Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Thumb Radio


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. As argued, the grouping is better served by a template and/or a category - and a template already exists. There is also the concern that such a grouping in an article is WP:OR, as there are no sources available which address this grouping.  SilkTork  *YES! 00:07, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

Thumb Radio

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Page is unnecessary. "Market" is served by a market template and the entire state is covered by the standard list. It is not necessary to list stations in one small area on one page, when other forms are available. Also fails WP:NEOLOGISM.  NeutralHomer •  Talk  • 06:01, 19 August 2009 (UTC) 06:01, 19 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Delete per nomination. --Tckma (talk) 12:42, 19 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Keep I think the article is worth saving.  I recognize it could use more content.  I know that lists are 'frowned on', but sometimes this is the best way to put together information that cannot be otherwise meaningfully expostulated.  The Thumb is a unique geographical area with its own mind set.  Terry Nichols was from there.  It would also help if there were some citations in the article.  I have seen other articles by this article's creator, and believe that if given some time this article will be brought up to speed.  7&amp;6=thirteen (talk) 17:27, 20 August 2009 (UTC) Stan
 * I received a note form Neutral Homer on my talk page. This was my further amplification and reply.
 * I know a lot about The Thumb, but I know nothing about Wikipedia's organizational structure for its articles. I am certainly not suggesting that you have been arbitrary.  This is a unique geographic and ethnographic area in many ways.  Because of its location (being surrounded by Lake Huron and Saginaw Bay on three sides, it is surprisingly isolated.  I work up there from time to time, and am familiar with the place and its population.  I am just suggesting that if the article can't be justified or brought up to speed in a month or so, then maybe it should be deleted.  But if there is a justification for its existence, I think it is better to give Cgorf a chance to justify its existence.  There is time to delete this later, if in the clear light of dawn that is required.  It's harder to create these articles than it is to delete them.  Deletion is (more or less) forever.  I hope that explains where I'm coming from.  Indeed, it was someone else who suggested they would "love to knw" what Terry Nichols had to do with this.  I wanted to elucidate that, as some of you may not actually be from (or traveled in) the Thumb.  What you are saying is that you don't like the answer.  That is your privilege. Best regards.  7&amp;6=thirteen (talk) 18:04, 20 August 2009 (UTC) Stan


 * I would love to know what Terry Nichols has to do with this AfD... JPG-GR (talk) 17:56, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Terry Nichols is not an isolated individual, but is part of a larger population in which he appeared as a normal part of the territory. The Michigan Militia is headquarter there.  My point is that this is odd (like Idaho-odd, where our famous University of Michigan  -- and Harvard -- alumnus Theodore Kazinski hung out for years, and nobody noticed).  I don't know that the case has been made for the uniqueness of Thumb Radio, but i would say give Cgord and his contributors a chance.  7&amp;6=thirteen (talk) 18:04, 20 August 2009 (UTC) Stan
 * Again, what do these people have to do with Thumb Radio? Keep your comments on the content of this article and your politics elsewhere. JPG-GR (talk) 18:10, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Actually, these were not a statement of "my politics." This was more in the nature of some statements of fact.  You may not like the facts, but that does not prove their nonexistence, or their relevance or lack thereof.  As to your advice, I will of course WP:AGF and presume that no insult was intended.  You may indulge the same assumption.  Happy editing.  7&amp;6=thirteen (talk) 18:18, 20 August 2009 (UTC) Stan


 * Delete While I don't question the existance of the Thumb geographic area, there is no evidence that radio stations from this particular area are notable as a unified group. JPG-GR (talk) 17:56, 20 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Keep As the creator of this page, I will take full responsibility for thumb radio. I believe it has possibility. For example, the thumb is not a designated radio market, yet there is tough competition between stations. Due to it's location, stations from Detroit, Saginaw, Flint, and Ontario also serve the thumb area. Another odd fact, three stations broadcast within 40mHz of each other: 1340 WLEW, 1360 WKYO, and 1380 WPHM. One station, WMIC is part of a dying breed. It is a family owned, full service radio station. The thumb radio region is very unique and should not be tossed to the side. You're right, the stations are not unified mutually, but are unified by competition. This page can become a one of a kind page describing small town radio markets. If it proves to be a success, more of these pages could be created. For example, a page about the Northern Michigan radio market could be created. What you currently see is not the final product. If this page remains dormant for over 4 weeks, I will personally delete it. But if others contribute to it, the possibilities are endless. Spare the page for now. I don't understand why there is such a rush to delete it. Cgord (talk) 19:28, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Everything you mention is likely better placed in the articles on the radio stations themselves (i.e. competition within the market, "part of a dying breed", etc.). "Thumb Radio" is a neologism at best. JPG-GR (talk) 19:34, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I see your point, yet one page dedicated to the radio region would be better than having the information scattered in over a dozen pages. If you insist that it is a neologism, then let's change the name. Cgord (talk) 19:53, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
 * There's no name to change it to - the group of radio stations as a single entity is not notable enough for it's own article. JPG-GR (talk) 19:59, 20 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Neutral I'm at two sides on this one. While I see value in having such a page, I have to wonder why all the information on the page (is) couldn't be put into the template and just called good. I also don't want to post my real opinion seeing as how JPG-GR is here, and any ideas I have would be shot down to begin with. As a creator of Wyoming templates for radio stations that ARENT in major markets, I can say the template way is the better way to go. Then again, its not up to me. What now boss? --milonica (talk) 02:15, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment - All of these stations are on a market template. One does exsist, which makes the page in question that less useful.  Of course the stations are all listed on the main state list as well. -  NeutralHomer  •  Talk  • 02:42, 21 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Delete per nomination -- This article explains nothing more than what is in the template. The communities within the Thumb already have a section in their articles devoted to radio -- making this article superfluous. -- azumanga (talk) 23:19, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.