Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Thunderstruck (2012 film)


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The result was   delete.  Sandstein  16:23, 26 April 2012 (UTC)

Thunderstruck (2012 film)

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High-school student production, won some local awards, but no evidence of notability per WP:NFILM. Contested prod. ... disco spinster   talk  00:24, 11 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Film-related deletion discussions.  • Gene93k (talk) 02:40, 12 April 2012 (UTC)


 * Incubate for a short while. Sure, it's a low budget student short film... but it had limited DVD release two weeks ago and is already receiving some positive attention. We can be patient for a short while to see if it gets more with wider viewing and media analysis.  Schmidt,  MICHAEL Q. 18:21, 12 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete Non-notable student movie. The DVD "release" is the teenage filmmaker selling copies from his website. And Adoil Descended (talk) 01:28, 18 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, BusterD (talk) 02:03, 18 April 2012 (UTC)


 * Delete. I debated about whether or not this would really do well as far as incubation goes, but unfortunately I just don't think that this film will ever really get enough attention to pass WP:NFILM. Even the coverage it's already gotten has been minimal. The very, very few non-blog entries and self-published sources that I've found do not mention Hosseini as separate from anyone else that won a specific competition. It's pretty much your run of the mill student film that's gotten some local notice, but nothing that would be considered notable in the here and now. A search doesn't bring up anything that would show otherwise, and to be honest... I can see where Hosseini has been marketing this pretty hard. It's a pretty obvious advertising attempt, although I know that this doesn't always mean that something isn't notable. It went on to the Georgia Media Festival (a non-notable student festival, I might add), but it should be noted that this isn't really an accomplishment since any student can add their film to this competition. I did see a blog-ish type entry that said "entries that got such and such a score progressed...", but the actual film festival website pretty much states that any student with a film and an adult sponsoring them can enter. From what I can see, it looks like all of the film competitions it's been put in have been like this, and appear to be about the equivalent of submitting a prize pumpkin to the state fair. Basically put, this is not notable and is highly unlikely to become so. I really don't see this being worth incubation. Tokyogirl79 (talk) 03:50, 18 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Actually, to be honest, I don't see where the film itself has actually gotten any coverage beyond routine listings in local student film festivals along the lines of "so and so won this", which isn't really that big of an accomplishment Wikipedia-wise when you consider that he's won a competition along with about 100+ other films for one competition. (And one of the links in another article was dead, so there's no telling how many progressed in that one.) It's no more likely to become notable than any random student film from any high school or college. If the film itself had received any real coverage from local papers or media, then I'd be more likely to think otherwise, but it hasn't.Tokyogirl79 (talk) 03:57, 18 April 2012 (UTC)


 * CommentKevin Durant (an NBA player) is releasing a film with the same title. So, if you googgle this movie, don't be confused by the more prominent Durant flick.JoelWhy (talk) 13:08, 18 April 2012 (UTC)
 * CommentTo the above editors: removing a premature article from mainspace does not always demand deletion... specially for a new film. My hope that it will have greater coverage is just just a hope, yes... but as it is verifiable, and even if currently unsuitable for mainspace, we DO have options other than outright deletion. I would be just a fine with a temporary return to its author. If this "prize pumpkin" gets no futher press, it won't be back.  Schmidt,  MICHAEL Q. 23:59, 18 April 2012 (UTC)
 * The only thing I'm worried about is that everything I've found that discusses this film has been advertising/promotional attempts by the author, with this Wikipedia entry being just his latest attempt to promote for his film. The only things that aren't put out by him are lists of competitors/winners for various local student film festivals, meaning that there's been zero coverage of this film and zero reason to believe that this film will ever gain notability. I'm not entirely adverse to the article getting userfied, although I'm worried about the potential conflict of interest as the article itself is full of puffery and advertising-speak, with Hossini (as he's the editor who created the article) throwing in unverified claims that the film was "praised especially for its visual effects" by unknown people (his friends? family? judges? no way of knowing). If this is userfied, I recommend that he goes through someone else as far as re-writing the article is concerned. He'd need someone to show him what's needed for notability and what isn't. From what I can see, he does have a working knowledge of how to edit Wikipedia, as evidenced by his edits (he knows how to create references and how to put "for the wiki entry on this, see this" at the top of articles), so what he really needs is to have someone go over notability guidelines and conflict of interest with him. If someone wants to help him with userfying then that's one thing, but I don't think this film would be worth incubating. It's just no more likely to gain notability than any other high school student's film festival entry, despite the director's attempts at advertising.Tokyogirl79 (talk) 06:11, 19 April 2012 (UTC)
 * I just wanted to add that the editor has also attempted to add one of this other films, The Survivors to Wikipedia as well as trying to create a page for himself back in 2009. This just seems to be his latest attempt at self promotion here on Wikipedia. I'm going to post some COI information on his page, but Schmidt, you might want to try taking him under your wing as far as stuff like this goes. I'm just worried about him trying to add his other films to Wikipedia or making edits that could be seen as a conflict of interest or promotion. Tokyogirl79 (talk) 06:16, 19 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Well, in his interview by WXIA-TV, Atlanta last February, it was established that Zach is 15... thus his poor contributions in 2009 were when he was 11.  So we might grant that newbies are newbies and see his newness and lack of understanding in the ways and means of editing Wikipedia are likely due to his age and enthusiasm and lack of understanding or experience in Wiki-editing.  Since being interviewed by the news would be quite a rush to a teenage filmmaker, we might certainly expect that now that he has caught the eye of the media, we will hear more about this youngster, and not less. I had suggested incubation because userfication was problematical. Let's send him to WP:PRIMER and WP:NAY.  Schmidt,  MICHAEL Q. 23:20, 20 April 2012 (UTC)
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