Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Tiffany Clark (volleyball)


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The result was delete. L Faraone  16:06, 13 September 2015 (UTC)

Tiffany Clark (volleyball)

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Unremarkable underage athlete. Fails WP:NHSPHSATH. On WP:VBALL, the project seems to indicate that youth amateur players are not notable. This would change, of course, if there were multiple third party sources to state notability. The Undead Never Die (talk) 23:29, 28 August 2015 (UTC)

I am also nominating the following related pages because they are on the same team; and they all fall under the same notability status:

















The Undead Never Die (talk) 23:41, 28 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Sportspeople-related deletion discussions. Toffanin (talk) 23:46, 28 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of United States of America-related deletion discussions. North America1000 03:00, 29 August 2015 (UTC)


 * Keep: WP:BEFORE should have prevented this irresponsible nomination.  Plenty of sources to satisfy GNG - including these two from the Chicago Tribune:     Similar minimal effort turns up third-party news stories for the other players.  Recommend this be speedily closed if not withdrawn by nominator.   The Dissident Aggressor 21:46, 29 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Comment This has nothing to do with WP:BEFORE. The sources you listed, I had also found. I cannot access them without paying for them and I will not do that. It might have been the way they were linked, but I think I have accessed them successfully now. So to comment on the sources. The one source does talk about Clark, I understand that. However, that does not equal significant third party coverage. The second source is a list of players and a small piece on them, something you would generally find for an underage athlete in a local paper. See other linked discussions in regards to this for reference. As per WP:NHSPHSATH, "High school and pre-high school athletes are notable only if they have received, as individuals, substantial and prolonged coverage that is (1) independent of the subject and (2) clearly goes beyond WP:ROUTINE coverage." None of these individuals satisfy this requirement. It goes on to say "The second clause excludes the majority of local coverage in both news sources and sports specific publications. It especially excludes using game play summaries, statistical results, or routine interviews as sources to establish notability.", which hammers on the two sources linked above. The Undead Never Die (talk) 21:06, 30 August 2015 (UTC)
 * So you found sources satisfying WP:GNG and nominated them anyway.  We're done.   The Dissident Aggressor 22:46, 30 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Your sources do not meet WP:GNG. They are written for local sports sections in local papers. That fails notability. The Undead Never Die (talk) 05:39, 31 August 2015 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Delete: non-notable, similar to this deletion. --Osplace 00:44, 31 August 2015 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Courcelles (talk) 01:19, 5 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete. If a handful of local routine coverage of high school athletes confers notability, I have several thousand articles to create. ~ RobTalk 23:22, 5 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Comment The editor who created this articles have deleted the afd notice in all of them. I have just reverted that. User have removed tfd notices as well as you can see in his contribution list. Probably enough for ban.--Osplace 01:28, 9 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete ALL per:
 * There have already been discussions apparently that U-18 volleyball teams are non notable
 * Articles for deletion/Iran men's national under-19 volleyball team
 * Articles for deletion/Peru women's youth volleyball team
 * There was also a discussion on TfD where they decided that the templates would be deleted:
 * Templates for discussion/Log/2013 July 11
 * Also the talk page on WP:VBALL seems to indicate that the project doesn't believe youth amateur players to be notable
 * Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Volleyball
 * and their discussion on general notability of volleyball players
 * Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Volleyball. Particularly note the quote from one editor "participating in a Senior World Championship is enough for being notable. Note: This means Senior competitions, not Junior Championships neither world not continentals." In addition commiting to play for a university sports team does not confer notability and the nominator's reasons.--Savonneux (talk) 02:04, 9 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete All as per nom and above editors. Searches turned up nothing to show notability.  Onel 5969  TT me 13:17, 12 September 2015 (UTC)


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