Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Tillery


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. Blatant hoax. Fences &amp;  Windows  19:28, 14 May 2012 (UTC)

This article is archived at List of hoaxes on Wikipedia/Tillery as a study on hoaxes Ego White Tray (talk) 03:57, 28 April 2013 (UTC)

Tillery

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I feel this needs team work. The article has been here since 2005, but neither RichardOSmith nor I seem able to find anything other than mirrors in our search for verification. I can't decide between hoax and totally obscure. Peridon (talk) 20:01, 7 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Comment I can't find 'Lester Concert Hall' or 'Leicester Concert Hall'. Nor a plane crash involving a band called 'Tillery'. In the History section, the second edit bears the summary "({wikify} among other things--like veracity check--didn't find anything to confirm)". Peridon (talk) 20:05, 7 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Comment The concert hall in Leicester is the De Montford Hall. But there does not seem to have been an air crash on the date mentioned...one in Canada a couple of days earlier.TheLongTone (talk) 20:30, 7 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete. Appears to be a hoax and, if it's not, the total lack of sources means it's not notable. The only Lester Hall I can find is a care home for the elderly in, surprisingly, Leicester.  planecrashinfo.com gives details of a fatal plane crash on 1956-12-12 but there were no passengers; aviation-safety.net gives another one but it seems unlikely that a German band travelling to Manchester would be on a flight from Bartlesville, Oklahoma to Salt Lake City.  Coincidentally, there have been several court cases involving different people called Tillery different plane crashes. Dricherby (talk) 21:11, 7 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Come to that, were there many German bands playing in England in 1956? The band name looks wrong, too. That sort of band name came in much later - in the 50s band names were rather more in the form of 'The Whatsits' (plurals only) or 'Ephraim and the Doodads'. Peridon (talk) 09:47, 8 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Delete, I also say hoax due to all the evidence against it. Snowball delete preferred; no reason to let this slog through AFD for a week-plus. Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 21:48, 7 May 2012 (UTC)
 * If this is going to be one of the longest running hoax articles (as it would seem), I'd prefer a reasonable run for this discussion. Let no-one come up with evidence later and claim that we dismissed the article out of hand. Peridon (talk) 09:47, 8 May 2012 (UTC)
 * BTW @TPH Check your maths. This will be THE longest running hoax so far, not the second longest. Peridon (talk) 10:13, 8 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Germany-related deletion discussions.  • Gene93k (talk) 17:38, 8 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions.  • Gene93k (talk) 17:39, 8 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Delete - Can't find any sources that disprove things being a hoax. I agree with Peridon's thoughts on the naming as well... Sergecross73   msg me   18:11, 8 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete I can't find anything either, including checking in German. Unless the date and/or the city and/or the band name are incorrect - and those 3 items are pretty much the entire article. Yngvadottir (talk) 18:47, 8 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete, unverifiable, and even if is is true, not much is lost in deletion. —Kusma (t·c) 20:22, 8 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete Hoax. The very thorough site PlaneCrashInfo has one crash on the specified date, at Dannemois, France, but it killed 5 crew and no passengers.  There were 2 European crashes later that month, one on Vienna-Munich and the other Rome-Milan, but it's not clear either would get you to Leicester. I also tried to search Gale NewsVault, Nexis UK, and NewsBank, but found nothing.  It's of course possible that Tillery is misspelt, that the date is incorrect, the band were Swedish, and they were killed when their swan pedalo hit an orang-utan.  But we can't do everything. --Colapeninsula (talk) 13:45, 11 May 2012 (UTC)
 * All good points. At least you're willing to take it on trust that, if they did exist, they were a band. ;-) Dricherby (talk) 20:24, 11 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete. It seems almost certain this is a hoax but even if it's not, the lack of any corroborating evidence indicates zero notability.
 * Note 1: That was my rationale when I nominated it for speedy deletion (A7) though with hindsight it was probably not a speedy candidate due to the age of the article and the claim of importance within it.
 * Note 2: This history of the article shows that this hoax, assuming it is, nearly got found out just over a day after it was created. That it subsequently lasted over six years is quite something!
 * RichardOSmith (talk) 07:26, 12 May 2012 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.