Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Tim Hartman


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The result was   keep. -- Cirt (talk) 07:55, 12 October 2010 (UTC)

Tim Hartman

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fails WP:BIO. gnews only lists other Tim Hartmans. currently referenced with primary sources. LibStar (talk) 05:50, 5 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete Only refs in the article are to self-published sources OR are trivial and short in nature.  No evidence of extensive or in-depth writing about this person by independent, reliable sources.  Therefor, fails WP:BIO.  -- Jayron  32  06:07, 5 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Changing vote based on changes to the article since my last vote. The article needs serious editing to bring it in line with WP:MOS, but the new sources make it clearly a keepable article.-- Jayron  32  02:52, 6 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep The article has been tweaked repeatedly to meet Wiki requirements. Of the referenced magazines none are self-published. 1 might be considered biased. The remainder are independent sources. Trivial is a matter of opinion. Do the wiki guidelines give a minimum word count for a references validity? In the martial arts world, who if not main stream publications, and international ones at that, are considered 'valid'? Bob Hubbard (talk) 14:43, 5 October 2010 (UTC)


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Martial arts-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 19:21, 5 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Sportspeople-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 19:22, 5 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep There's a lot of unsourced claims in the article, which should either be documented or removed. However,  I believe there is sufficient magazine coverage to show notability. Papaursa (talk) 02:36, 6 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep he's been on the cover of a significant martial arts magazine, for example. JJL (talk) 02:50, 6 October 2010 (UTC)
 * where is the Wikipedia policy which states this is a criterion for notability? LibStar (talk) 05:29, 6 October 2010 (UTC)
 * See WP:GNG, "If a topic has received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject, it is presumed to satisfy the inclusion criteria for a stand-alone article." Being the subject of a Cover story in a reliable publication is generally considered significant.  -- Jayron  32  05:37, 6 October 2010 (UTC)


 * Keep His non-trivial coverage in several different magazines allows him to pass WP:GNG. Astudent0 (talk) 14:54, 6 October 2010 (UTC)
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