Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Tim Lister


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   no consensus. Salvio Let's talk about it! 09:42, 7 July 2013 (UTC)

Tim Lister

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Claims notability in contesting deletion so switching to AFD, Fails WP:GNG and WP:AUTHOR Hell In A Bucket (talk) 15:14, 16 June 2013 (UTC)

Claim of notability based on (among other things) special session of IEEE International Conference on Software 2007 commemorating 20th anniversary of publication of one of his books: http://www.computer.org/csdl/proceedings/icsecompanion/2007/2892/00/28920021-abs.html or search on "Peopleware" in any IEEE Computer Society digital resource. Camdenmaine (talk) 15:54, 17 June 2013 (UTC)

Article is non-promotional, a simple list of Lister's published works (one being reissued in July, 2013 by Addison Weseley), affiliation, and fields of research. As such it is similar to Barry Boehm, or Bertrand Meyer. Camdenmaine (talk) 18:10, 16 June 2013 (UTC)
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 * How about merge this one and the one that is even worse on the book Peopleware: Productive Projects and Teams (not wikilinked from the author?) into Peopleware. The concept itself would seem to be much easier to justify, from the conference if nothing else, as being notable. But generally stand-alone articles on authors, their books, and buzzwords tend to be permastubs. W Nowicki (talk) 17:18, 19 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, czar   &middot;   &middot;  17:44, 23 June 2013 (UTC)


 * Well, there's little doubt that Lister is less well-known than Boehm or Meyer. User:Camdenmaine should be aware that WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS isn't much of an argument here at AfD - we can delete other stuff too, and we do. Notability comes down to things we can reliably cite: in Boehm's case there's a lot to choose from, and in Lister's there's less. Google Scholar suggests he might be notable as a cited author though it wouldn't be huge. The article currently does itself no favours by providing 3 primary sources (i.e. Lister's own work) which don't prove notability, and 1 to Chris Alexander's work which isn't relevant to Lister's notability either. If Camdenmaine would like to demonstrate "multiple, substantial" mentions of Lister in reliable, independent sources the argument would soon be over. BTW the article on Peopleware: Productive Projects and Teams is indeed at least as AfD-ready as this; a merge of both as suggested by W Nowicki is possible. But we should aim to show notability first. Chiswick Chap (talk) 19:01, 23 June 2013 (UTC)


 * Keep Notable author and authority on software development. Warden (talk) 22:36, 23 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, czar   &middot;   &middot;  18:44, 30 June 2013 (UTC)


 * Delete. Is writing a few books really justifies for Wikipedia article? Dekart (talk) 20:23, 30 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Keep It depends on the books. In this case, there's evidence for the books still being influential 25 years afterwards, which is va very long time in this subject.  DGG ( talk ) 21:33, 5 July 2013 (UTC)
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