Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Tim Liwanag (2nd nomination)


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The result was delete. Sam Walton (talk) 09:41, 15 May 2015 (UTC)

Tim Liwanag

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PROD was contested apparently on the basis that he is a "full-fledged author on HarperCollins Publishers' Authonomy site". But the subject clearly fails WP:NAUTHOR. StAnselm (talk) 19:34, 1 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete. Especially as I literally just created this at the same time as you. Great minds, and all, I suppose...which takes care of you. Now what's my excuse? :-) -- Ser Amantio di Nicolao Che dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 19:37, 1 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Sorry - this is a very strange edit conflict. I'm still working out how to clear it up. StAnselm (talk) 19:38, 1 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Not so strange. You're more familiar with the conventions than I am, so you got through the nominating process quicker than I did. I have a suspicion that I started just before you did, but was bogged down in getting it right so that you finished before I did.  (I don't come 'round these parts that often.) -- Ser Amantio di Nicolao Che dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 19:47, 1 May 2015 (UTC)
 * All fixed (unless someone comes along and says I did it wrong). —Largo Plazo (talk) 19:55, 1 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Awesome, thanks. -- Ser Amantio di Nicolao Che dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 19:58, 1 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete As an indication of significance, citing him as "the first Filipino author to write a book on fulfilled eschatology" is a stretch. No relevant coverage found via Google. All the sources cited are by him or are WP:ROUTINE documentation for the assertions in the article. Authonomy is a self-publishing site. Fails WP:N and all of its pertinent corollaries. —Largo Plazo (talk) 19:46, 1 May 2015 (UTC)


 * Delete per above. The thing about claiming to be the first at something is that it's an insanely hard thing to prove. I've found that whenever someone claims to be the first, odds are that they're not. I can't tell you how many times I've seen someone claim to be the youngest writer or filmmaker, only for this to be easily disproven. In any case, I can't find anything to show that this person is ultimately notable per Wikipedia's guidelines. It also doesn't help that the article is pretty promotional in its tone- this article comes across as a pretty obvious attempt to promote the author. I'd say speedy deletion, but this should go through a full AfD even if it's just to help ensure that this can't be recreated in the future. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡)  03:41, 2 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Philippines-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 21:43, 3 May 2015 (UTC)
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 * delete pure self-promotion. No reliable sources found.E.M.Gregory (talk) 00:25, 4 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep Significant coverage by reliable sources. Liwanag's standing was published by Allyn Morton, owner of The Fulfilled Connection magazine and contributor to the Fulfilled Covenant Bible. He was equally honored as a pioneer in fulfilled eschatology by WyzAnt's editor Adam Maarschalk. Transformium (talk) 14:55, 5 May 2015 (UTC)
 * I wouldn't call these two blogs reliable sources. Neither is itself of any note; Google comes up with very little for either of them, and virtually none of that is independent and substantial. I don't gather that Allyn Morton and Adam Maarschalk are notable either. Regarding the TFCMagazine site, further, there is no coverage of Liwanag. There are his own writings, and his own personally created profile page. There isn't anything about him, as far as I can tell; even if there were, given that he's a contributing writer to the site, it wouldn't be independent coverage. —Largo Plazo (talk) 15:24, 5 May 2015 (UTC)


 * Delete with regret. I'm always suspicious of deletions of Filipino/Pinoy BLPs, but this one just does not make the grade.  It's clear from the poor sourcing and red links that he is not a notable scholar, nor in a notable field of study.  He and his field are not yet notable. Bearian (talk) 14:30, 11 May 2015 (UTC)
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