Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Tim Rebowe


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The result was   no consensus.  MBisanz  talk 19:51, 18 December 2012 (UTC)

Tim Rebowe

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Seemingly non-notable university assistant coach. Could find no news articles with which to establish notability or significance. - MrX 02:57, 3 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep - Please help me with this article to improve it, not delete it. I've added more information and references, but I'm new to wikipedia and don't know how to reference inside an article. All the information in the article was gathered from the links in the reference section. This coach is an assistant coach and was a head coach at the highest level of college football, Division I. He was also head coach at the highest level of high school football in Louisiana. I did a quick 5 minute search on people who were already on wikipedia but just assistant coaches at lower levels of college football than Rebowe(non-Divison I) and found the following: Craig Stump–Texas State, Chad Glasgow–Texas State, Don Shows–Northwestern Louisiana, Mike Nesbitt-McNeese St, Ronnie Thompson-Lamar. If they can be included then please allow Tim Rebowe to stay on wikipedia. I feel he can be considered at the pinnacle of his profession as a college coach b/c he was also a head coach. Not everyone coaches in NFL. Many well-known and very well-respected football coaches stay at the college or even high school level. As an assistant college coach, your responsibilities include helping to win games, improve offense/defense/special teams, develop players for the NFL and recruiting players to your university. The articles and references show he won games, improved defense/special teams, put many players in NFL and is a top recruiter. Lastly, this helps expand the articles of 3 college football teams in wikipedia. More information on a topic the better as long as it can be verified, correct? I know I'm not great at writing articles in Wikipedia, but I do know what a successful well-known assistant coach looks like. Once again, please help with this article b/c Tim Rebowe has the credentials required to be in Wikipedia. To show that he meets notable American college football assistant coach or head coach, I added mutiple articles and coverage of him from ESPN, Fox sports, Baltimore Sun newspaper and Hartford Courant newspaper. I also added a reference/article that he was acting head coach at Nicholls State besides head coach at University of Louisiana-Monroe. Two head coaching jobs. Last thing I want to say is regarding me, not the article. I'm new to wikipedia, but not new to college football. It has been a passion of mine since I played in college 18 years ago. After covering, playing and knowing many people that have coached in college, I feel I have great perspective on who is notable in college football. Please keep this in mind when reviewing the article. Thanks for reviewing and providing input. Spatms (talk) 14:30, 3 December 2012 (UTC). Spatms (talk) 23:29, 5 December 2012 (UTC). Spatms (talk) 20:20, 8 December 2012 (UTC). Spatms (talk) 20:16, 9 December 2012 (UTC).
 * Delete - apart from this very brief mention in a local newspaper I can't see any coverage either. The article doesn't make any great claims of importance - he's only an assistant coach, after all. Sionk (talk) 13:17, 3 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete - Per Sionk., you may recreate it in your userspace, as a draft, and then re-submit it. One reliable source doesn't corroborate notability, at this stage. -- MST  ☆  R   (Merry Christmas!) 05:52, 6 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of American football-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 00:58, 8 December 2012 (UTC)
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 * Keep Looks like he was a head coach when his head coach left a few years back. That should be enough to provide notability.  Needs more work, tho.--Paul McDonald (talk) 14:51, 8 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Paul, the only mention I see of "head coach" in his various team profiles is at the high school level. If he held an interim head coach position, I don't see it.  Am I missing something?  Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 15:09, 8 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Nevermind, Paul. I think I solved that minor mystery.  The only mention I can find of Rebowe as "head coach" is in the Wikipedia article itself.  He may have served as the temporary head coach after the 2002 season, but apparently never actually coached in a game.  Please see List of Louisiana–Monroe Warhawks head football coaches and College Football Data Warehouse's list of ULM coaches here.  Another ULM assistant, Bobby Collins, finished the 2002 season for the previous head coach.  Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 15:23, 8 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Here's what I found: Rebowe named UL-Monroe interim coach back in 2003.--Paul McDonald (talk) 00:42, 9 December 2012 (UTC)


 * Delete. Non-notable American college football assistant coach.  Subject does not satisfy the applicable specific notability guideline, WP:NCOLLATH, nor is there sufficient depth of coverage in multiple independent reliable sources to satisfy the general notability guidelines per WP:GNG.  Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 15:23, 8 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  MBisanz  talk 21:08, 10 December 2012 (UTC)


 * Keep. Several articles covering him in Louisiana newspapers.  One national feature from the Associated Press picked up by ESPN as well.  He was an interim or acting head coach at both Nicholls State and UL-Monroe.  Marginal, but enough on balance to meet WP:GNG IMO. Cbl62 (talk) 03:30, 11 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete, still not notable according to the strict criteria of college athletics. Also, how is it possible this coach has a wiki entry when his team doesnt? -- Phazakerley  (talk) 05:08, 13 December 2012 (UTC)
 * A college athlete/coach doesn't have to satisfy WP:NCOLLATH. Satisfying WP:GNG is enough.  Also, not sure what you mean when you say his team doesn't have a wiki entry.  The Louisiana–Lafayette Ragin' Cajuns football have multiple wiki articles (e.g., 2012 Louisiana–Lafayette Ragin' Cajuns football team, 2011 Louisiana–Lafayette Ragin' Cajuns football team, etc.) and play at the highest level of college football --  Division I FBS. Cbl62 (talk) 05:24, 13 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Sorry your right. For some reason there was no link from his entry to his own team's entry. But now I read his team's entries none of them mention him! Anyway its a side issue, there are pretty strict criteria for an asst. coach to be notable, which he doesnt seem to meet. WP:NCOLLATH -- Phazakerley  (talk) 08:20, 13 December 2012 (UTC)

He was a head coach in college football not just an assistant. Plus well-known is a criteria. He falls under this requirment. Spatms (talk) 20:16, 9 December 2012 (UTC).
 * Spatms, did you pick up on the fact that while the subject was an acting head coach, he never actually served as the head coach for a regular season college football game? The subject's entire career as an acting head coach was during the off-season, following another  interim head coach who finished the previous regular season, and before a new permanent head coach was appointed to start the next regular season.  As such, WikiProject College Football does not support a presumption of notability in favor of the subject, nor do WP:NSPORTS or WP:NCOLLATH] extend such a presumption of notability.  In the absence of an applicable specific notability guideline, the subject must satisfy the general notability guidelines per [[WP:GNG, which require that notability be demonstrated by substantial coverage of the subject in multiple, independent, reliable sources.  Otherwise, the the subject's notability has not been established, and the article should be deleted.  "Well-known" doesn't have anything to do with it.  Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 19:33, 17 December 2012 (UTC) College athletes.

Dirtlawyer1, Here's what I did pick up. He meets this criteria: Gained national media attention as an individual, not just as a player for a notable team. He has been covered by ESPN, multiple major city newspapers, etc... If you do not feel these sources should be considered “multiple, independent, reliable sources”, that's fine. We all have our opinions. I’m just not sure where you would go to find coverage that is considered “multiple, independent, and reliable” in the United States outside of these sources. Please keep in mind, American college athletics are mostly covered by U.S. media sources. Those with knowledge of college athletics would most assuredly agree that ESPN is one of the leaders if not the leader of college sports coverage. Major city newspapers aren’t too far behind ESPN and are considered by many to be on the same level. Here's what I also picked up. There are many assistant coaches and head coaches already on Wikipedia that don't come close to having Rebowe's credentials on the high school or college level. A very small percentage of football players make the NFL. If you closely read Rebowe’s article, you will see that he coached a pretty sizeable amount of players who made the NFL. I have also previously mentioned that I am very well qualified to judge notability when it comes to college football. If you see me commenting on legal issues, please feel free to question my credentials. I have little to no expertise in that field. Spatms (talk) 23:33, 17 December 2012 (UTC).
 * Keep Per subject having twice been an acting/interim head coach.  Automatic Strikeout  ( T •  C) 21:55, 17 December 2012 (UTC)
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