Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Timberview High School shooting


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was redirect to List of school shootings in the United States. There is consensus that, at present, the sourcing falls short of the requirements of WP:NEVENT and WP:NOTNEWS. (non-admin closure) Extraordinary Writ (talk) 18:51, 22 October 2021 (UTC)

Timberview High School shooting

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WP:NOTNEWS. This article was clearly created too quickly. No deaths or substantial amount of injuries, an incident contained to a personal squabble, and an instant drop in national media coverage after a day or two equal no WP:LASTING qualifications for an article. A similar incident occurred at Heritage High School no more than a couple of months ago, and an article wasn't even created on it because it turned out to be nothing in the end despite the initially strong attention that the story got. Ultimately, the article for that school has this to cover the shooting. Love of Corey (talk) 18:26, 15 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Crime-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 18:46, 15 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Texas-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 18:46, 15 October 2021 (UTC)


 * Redirect to List of school shootings in the United States per WP:NOTNEWS and WP:NEVENT. No indication that this will have persistent coverage. Qwaiiplayer (talk) 18:49, 15 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Events-related deletion discussions.  Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 19:55, 15 October 2021 (UTC)


 * Redirect to List of school shootings in the United States. Wikipedia is not a newspaper. KidAd  •  SPEAK  19:59, 15 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Redirect to List of school shootings in the United States per nom. Low casualty count and little current media coverage. Kellis7 • talk 01:40, 16 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep - The article includes sources from October 13th, October 14th, October 6th, October 7th, etc. The sources are both national and local, and include: CNN, NBC10 Philadelphia, NBC 5 Dallas, Fox News, etc.  As of now there are 16 sources.  Wide, ongoing coverage. We go by the sources, don't we? XavierItzm (talk) 03:29, 16 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Right, sources that you added, all of which are local. A Google search turns up no national media sources in the past week or so. Love of Corey (talk) 04:35, 16 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Its the sources that exist that are relevant, not just the sources cited in the article. - Cameron Dewe (talk) 10:07, 16 October 2021 (UTC)


 * Keep the article, as this preserves the existing work expended to create the article. The argument that another similar high school shooting did not have its own Wikipedia article is not the standard for an article to exist. Notability is. I believe this article already meets the general notability guideline because of the worldwide coverage and the sources cited being just a few of many available. An event not having a lasting effect is not a conclusive reason to delete it. Having a lasting effect only increases the probability an event is notable and is only one of the event criteria that should be considered. Coverage, depth, persistence and diversity of sources are additional factors that need to be taken into account. One also needs to consider this article's potential, not just its current state. As this is a criminal act, an investigation is currently in progress and we do not know its outcome or decision that investigators might make. So the way the alleged perpetrator is dealt with and whether or not the victims might suffer any lasting effects are both currently unknown. Wikipedia should not speculate about what we do not know, and deletion at this time would do that. Currently we do not know that this shooting will have a lasting effect or not. Wikipedia can wait until the future becomes the past so we can make a better assessment once we know what is going to happen. Please also consider what is likely to happen if this article is not going to be kept. It could be Merged into the Mansfield Timberview High School article, where it is already mentioned in the history section. Although, I think a separate sub-section is warranted, so that the article can be redirected directly to the section concerned and the sources can be preserved. However, there is a substantial risk that its addition to the High School article will overwhelm that article and the shooting will be split back out as a sub-article, defeating the point of the merger and any deletion process. The shooting is already mentioned in the List of school shootings in the United States article, but that is in a table in a summary style. Writing a more substantial summary would likely overwhelm that article, too, so redirecting the article there would require restructuring the list to accept anchored redirects or a total restructuring of that article in order to preserve what has already been written. That is an undesirable option for a list article, in my opinion. - Cameron Dewe (talk) 06:02, 16 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Redirect to List of school shootings in the United States...couldn't have said it better than Love of Corey. Yodabyte (talk) 08:50, 16 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks. :) Love of Corey (talk) 22:01, 19 October 2021 (UTC)


 * Redirect to List of school shootings in the United States as this event just received routine coverage. If this event is a catalyst for a larger event then have it be mentioned in that article. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 20:47, 19 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Redirect to List of school shootings in the United States per several of the !voters above. At the moment, the only coverage is routine. The assertion that there could be "lasting effects" falls under WP:CRYSTAL. If such "lasting effects" do happen, the redirect could be undone and the article expanded, but for now WP:NOTNEWS appears to apply. -- Kinu t/c 07:42, 20 October 2021 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.