Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Time 4 Plan B


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   redirect to Plan B discography. All articles fail notability requirements. -Scottywong | squeal _ 18:35, 24 September 2012 (UTC)

Time 4 Plan B

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This article does not meet the criteria for notability as it did not chart, this release received no coverage in any news sources, the article itself is little more than a track listing and is unlikely to ever progress past stub level. Also the articles Plan B discography and list of Plan B songs are being used to deal with the subject of Plan B's less notable releases. Ellm6 (talk) 18:46, 27 August 2012 (UTC)

I am also nominating the following related pages because the same notability reasons as given above for Time 4 Plan B also apply to these articles too:
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Albums and songs-related deletion discussions.  • Gene93k (talk) 14:07, 28 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Albums and songs-related deletion discussions.  • Gene93k (talk) 14:07, 28 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Albums and songs-related deletion discussions.  • Gene93k (talk) 14:07, 28 August 2012 (UTC)

Note from article creator: Hi. I noticed that you suggested that my Plan B articles be deleted. I created those articles as I felt the were notable enough and that many fans could benefit from knowing about those mixtapes/EPs (in particular Paint it Blacker as that is the most advanced & informed article). — Preceding unsigned comment added by Djjazzyb (talk • contribs) 03:57, 29 August 2012 (UTC)
 * WP:ITSUSEFUL. - The Bushranger One ping only 04:38, 29 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Delete articles. So far the only argument for keeping them is that it's useful, however the subject matter is not notable enough for Wikipedia and these articles will probably never progress further than a stub. - Ellm6 (talk) 21:04, 30 August 2012 (UTC)
 * While I can agree that that It's Time 4 Plan B & Time 4 Plan B are just stubs, I also think that Paint it Blacker can be considered a full enough article. I also feel that the former two articles may progress further than stub. Kane (talk) 21:40, 30 August 2012 (UTC)
 * It's almost impossible for these articles to progress past a stub. For several of the recommended sections given in the Manual of Style for albums (e.g. Writing, recording, release details, critical reception, chart performance etc), the information simply does not exist so how can these articles be expanded? Paint It Blacker may be a slight exception but first I think we need to establish if it is notable enough for its own article? - Ellm6 (talk) 12:47, 31 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, — Crisco 1492 (talk) 02:49, 4 September 2012 (UTC)



OK, the articles are still there and no one has commented here for nearly a week. I'm removing the deletion notices. K. (talk) 17:12, 8 September 2012 (UTC)
 * I've reinstated the deletion notices - they should stay up until the discussion has been closed. Thanks — Mr. Stradivarius  (have a chat) 08:02, 13 September 2012 (UTC)


 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, — Mr. Stradivarius  (have a chat) 08:02, 13 September 2012 (UTC)




 * Redirect All to Plan B discography. The individual albums do not seem to possess the notability and references needed to exist as stand alone articles.  However, redirecting them to the discography page seems appropriate, as that is the standard practice for non-notable albums by notable musicians.  Rorshacma (talk) 16:52, 13 September 2012 (UTC)


 * Answer me this then, what makes the Paint It Blacker bootleg in particular more notable than say, a Beatles bootleg, or a Rolling Stones bootleg? K. (talk) 17:29, 13 September 2012 (UTC)
 * When referring to Paint It Blacker the term "Bootleg album" is a bit ambiguous. It's not like a bootleg such as a concert recorded by a fan of the artist, but that these songs consisted of unauthorised samples making them bootleg recordings made by Plan B himself. I think that most readers are in agreement that these subjects are not really notable enough for their own articles, but a consensus has yet to be reached on the best course of action (e.g. deletion, re-direct, merge etc) - Ellm6 (talk) 00:55, 14 September 2012 (UTC)


 * Ok, but can you not agree that this information could be found useful by some people? KANE  16:26, 23 September 2012 (UTC)
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