Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Timeline of Motorized bicycle history/Summary of discussion

History of this article:
Timeline of Motorized bicycle history: User nominating article for deletion believes the creator has a point to prove. The delete nomination was right away (as soon as the article was created) contrary to WP:RFC: "the first resort should always be to discuss the problem with the other user.  Try to resolve the dispute on your own first." Debate also concerns the relevance of facts being submited (inclusion vs. noninclusion) and the idea of duplicating information from a timeline within the article motorized bicycle. Discussions are escallating from mediocre wikietiquette to bad. References:
 * Moped Army discusion
 * Talk Page
 * Removing the link
 * 2nd dispute

16:15, 26 November 2005 (UTC)


 * As nom, I dispute this. We were already talking about a history section in the article Motorized bicycle but had pretty much agreed that we were having difficulty finding verifiable information.  The timeline article was split off by CyclePat with initial content that had been removed from the main article as being either irrelevant or insignificant, and no attempt was made at that point to redress the lack of information.  It was only after the AfD nom that Pat went out to solicit input on the timeline article, which would have been better done much earlier in the motorized bicycle article. There was then (and remains now) no need for a separate timeline for this subject as it has very few obvious milestones, all of which are now covered in the main article.  Right now we are debating the way forward on the timeline, and the consensus is not to continue with a timeline of the motorized bicycle, but to try to find a format which will allow a (more useful) combined timeline of a wider set or subset of powered two-wheel transport.
 * Now we have a couple of editors on the timeline, and are working on what it might become, once again the consensus is that the content Pat added is not significant and should not be included. Pat's immediate response is to suggest another article, this time a list of motorised bicycles, in ordeer to give him a place to list his pet item (which is already on the article for its manufacturer, CCM (bicycle manufacturer)).  I said on several occasions that all Pat has to do if he wants this in the main article is to demonstrate its significance. - Just zis Guy, you know? [T]/[C] (W) AfD? 17:42, 26 November 2005 (UTC)

History of Article
(For the history of the article see Timeline of Motorized bicycle history and click history (or click here)


 * 07:17, 20 November 2005 by user:CyclePat: Creation of article addition of stub, etc.
 * 12:49, 20 November 2005 by user:Just zis Guy, you know?: Nomination for deletion
 * 04:35, 22 November 2005 by CyclePat: Major Expansion of article
 * 07:55, 22 November 2005 by user:K-111, user:24.9.36.192, and CyclePat.
 * 09:34, 22 November 2005 by user:Just zis Guy, you know?: Removed/deleted various information that may or may not have been irelevant (no disscusion)
 * (other than the justification which had already been given in detail at the main article, and an edit summary to that effect) - Just zis Guy, you know? [T]/[C] (W) AfD? 17:44, 26 November 2005 (UTC)


 * 20:52, 23 November 2005 CyclePat (changed the stub to vehicle related stub...)
 * Other important additions are still happening and many sources are still available that may be added to the article.

List/Summary of Nominations/Votes
(In the same order as they appear in Articles for deletion/Timeline of Motorized bicycle history)


 * Keep: User:User-K111
 * Delete: User:Noisy
 * Keep (Strong): User:CyclePat
 * Delete Neutral: User:Just zis Guy, you know? (changed vote 26 november)
 * Keep: User:zellin (originally voted for weak merge but his comment stipulates if the article is expanded to more than 8 entries keep)
 * Delete: user:Katefan
 * Delete: user:Woohookitty
 * Keep: User:DavidLevinson
 * Delete/Merge: (Not signed but added on 22:50, 22 November 2005 by user:Hitchhiker89,)
 * Merge: User:RasputinAXP
 * Delete: User:MCB
 * Delete or Massively Trim and Merge: User:Calton


 * Total Keeps: 4
 * Total Deletes: 3
 * Total Merge/delete: 4

(Please remember that according to WP:NOT. Its primary method of finding consensus is discussion, not voting. It is highly recommended to see the comments and debates)