Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Timeline of STS-115


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result was redirect for GFDL compliance as information from this article had been substantially merged into STS-115 prior to nomination and to retain any information for future reference. ɑʀкʏɑɴ 19:17, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

Timeline of STS-115

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To standardize shuttle missions, (see STS-116, STS-117, STS-118) I have merged Timeline of STS-115 into STS-115, and this page can be deleted. It has been orphaned since March 2007. The only link to the page is STS-115 Timeline which can also be removed. WikiProject_Space_missions is working to standardize all the mission articles into the same format, so the timeline should remain with the mission page, not as a separate article. While STS-115 will need pruning, this orphaned article can probably be purged. Notices placed on Talk:STS-115, the Project talk page, and on Talk:STS-118 (current flight). Ariel ♥ Gold 00:25, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete. Since you've merge the articles, I don't see how this article serves a purpose. It's far from encyclopedic, anyway .  James   Luftan  contribs 00:32, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Redirect to STS-115. -- Dennis The Tiger   (Rawr and stuff) 01:16, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Redirect to STS-115. That way if something is missed, others can still look over the information, if they try hard enough. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) 01:21, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Good idea, there is one other "Timeline" article that could use that as well, for STS-121. Thanks for the input! Ariel ♥ Gold 01:25, 10 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Question How was the merge done? Did you copy from this page?  That's the way it looks to me, in which case, a deletion is not appropriate, but rather a redirect in order to satisfy the attribution requirements of the GFDL.  FrozenPurpleCube 01:57, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
 * I actually had nearly half of the mission notes written up by hand, and then I found the timeline page, so yes I transferred it as written. However, when pages are merged that contain timeline information that didn't change between the versions, how is the merge handled? I apologize if I merged it wrong, and I'd be happy to learn the proper way to merge information such as this. Also, it seems that a redirect is the most appropriate choice, so my apologies for not considering that, I was thinking more of reducing "clutter" from Wikipedia, and I apologize. Thanks. Ariel ♥ Gold 02:05, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Basically you cannot copy content from article to another. This is because the revision history must be maintained, otherwise the GFDL is being violated. The 'merge' is handled by re-writing the data yourself from the external sources and deleting the original page.--Dacium 03:09, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
 * If you want something deleted in its current form, but used elsewhere, the appropriate way to do it is to work from the actual sources involved, and to not involve any other edits on Wikipedia. Though you can get information such as a list of those references from it, you shouldn't copy the edited text. The GFDL generally requires a record of contributions be kept in order to keep compliant with the license, and that's why in cases where you merge something, you usually do a redirect. The only way you could get around it would be if you were the only significant contributor, which I assume is not the case. I'm also not sure if it's the case that you're copying mission notes directly from NASA, which would also be acceptable. In terms of reducing clutter on Wikipedia, it's really not worth worrying about, as the storage requirements are too vast for the individual to matter with the aggregate. Let's assume it takes 1 megabyte of space to keep this page around. Last year about this time, the database was 1.2 Terabytes . Since one terabyte is one million megabytes, that means we could have over a million copies of this one article and still have room for well...a lot. It's not worth worrying about for that reason. (Especially since in reality, the page probably takes up a tenth or less of that size).  Yes, eventually there will be problems with the size of Wikipedia, but it's not going to be handled by boiling tea cups of the ocean with a candle.  FrozenPurpleCube 03:18, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

Understood, and of course, I knew that copying and pasting entire articles is a no-no, but basically this is a list of activities as stated from NASA's end of day Status Reports, nothing changed in what the crew did, or how they did it, so it makes it quite difficult to even attempt to "rewrite" it. It was just a mistake on my part for not thinking it through, again my most abject apologies. I'd appreciate if someone could handle the redirect, and remove the AFD notice, and feel free to remove my addition, and I'll just try and find a way to re-word everything, without losing all the NASA URL references while doing it. So much for my first foray into AfD, lol.Ariel ♥ Gold 04:20, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
 * The thing is, if there's any significant edits done (even formatting) once it gets away from NASA (which is a federal agency and thus public domain), you'd run afoul of the GFDL attribution. Since there are in-line references, I'd say that is your problem, and as such, the best thing to do is to use the merge/redirect solution.  It's far less work, and there's no real benefit from doing things the harder way.  FrozenPurpleCube 04:52, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
 * I agree with you FrozenPurpleCube, and I completely understand. Again my apologies for handling it in the wrong way. I'd appreciate anyone who can take care of the redirect/merge, as I guess I still don't understand: If you redirect, are you allowed to "copy/paste" merge, or do you still have to re-write the entire thing? If someone would like to remove the AfD, and do whatever is needed, I'll be happy to attempt to rewrite it, if that's required. Ariel ♥ Gold 05:05, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
 * When I redirect/merge, what I do is make sure to note it in the edit summary that I'm copying from a given location, both when I'm pasting over and I'm making the redirect. There is no need to further rewrite it (except for whatever cleanup issues are appropriate).  See WP:MERGE for the steps.  FrozenPurpleCube 06:02, 10 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Redirect Since info is merged - Stuff like this has historic notability and is covered by reliable sources Corpx 04:54, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Yeap. If you copy/paste stuff, the edit history has to be preserved.  Leave a note on the talk page of the new page as to where to  find the edit history.   As of now, this cannot be closed because there is still a "Delete" vote on the board and thus, would not qualify for a speedy keep Corpx 05:12, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Actually, I think it can, since the delete argument can be dismissed as ignorant of the merge. But I'll ask that person to strike their comment unless they feel it doesn't belong as part of STS-115.   FrozenPurpleCube 05:24, 10 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Redirect The only reason I said "Delete" is because the OP had already merged the subject.  James   Luftan  contribs 15:52, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
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