Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Timeline of global South Asian LGBT and queer history


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   keep. j⚛e deckertalk 15:17, 15 August 2014 (UTC)

Timeline of global South Asian LGBT and queer history

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I know that we have a lot of timeline article, but this one looks really strange. It's full of totally un-notable information. I may be called an WP:Original research as many of the entrants are very loosely connected to the "LGBT and queer history". For example, this one: "Tara Singh and Jamil Singh both arrested for interracial sodomy in Sacramento, CA." What does it have to do with South Asia? Vanjagenije (talk) 16:39, 29 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete We have things not in South Asia, and we have major attempts to force into the straight-jacket of LGBT things that might not relate to it at all. This is just too braod ranging to be workable.John Pack Lambert (talk) 17:06, 29 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Question: Do you have particular examples of non-LGBT content on the LGBT timeline? Off-topic content should obviously be removed. -Anirvan (talk) 17:41, 29 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Strong keep, and concerns noted and addressed — (1) The page stated that it's covering South Asian and South Asian diasporic LGBTQ history, but that wasn't made clear enough, so I went ahead and renamed the article to put the word "diaspora" directly in the title. (2) The page is very new, and has been worked on primarily by two editors, so I marked it as an LGBT stub to pull in more expert editors who can help assess notability and improve article quality. - Anirvan (talk) 17:21, 29 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Note: Vanjagenije (talk) asks about the significance of the arrest of Jamil and Tara Singh. This is actually an incredibly important event -- the earliest record of South Asian MSM in North America, an event also noted in the timeline in the Indian American article. I reworded the item to clearly state the significance ("Earliest known records of South Asian MSM in North America"). This article needs helpful editorial help like this, rather than an AfD process. Anirvan (talk) 17:29, 29 July 2014 (UTC)
 * It is so "incredibly important event" that no news agencies reported on it. . Vanjagenije (talk) 17:36, 29 July 2014 (UTC)
 * The event happened 96 years ago — that's why Google News doesn't cover it! Please see the citation #8 that's included in the article right next to the sentence you're talking about: Shah, Nayan (2011). "Policing Strangers and Borderlands". Stranger Intimacy: Contesting Race, Sexuality, and the Law in the North American West. Berkeley, California: University of California Press. pp. 74–78. ISBN 978-0-520-27087-9. -Anirvan (talk) 17:41, 29 July 2014 (UTC)
 * It looks like you were misspelling the search terms. You can see the events mentioned in 3 books if you search in Google Books -Anirvan (talk) 17:44, 29 July 2014 (UTC)
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 * Keep Well-sourced list of notable events. Now that the title/definition has been made clearer so as to cover both South Asian and diaspora communities, I see no policy-based argument for deletion of the entire list. 24.151.10.165 (talk) 17:11, 31 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Keep but purge as Timeline of South Asian LGBT history. The WP convention is LGBT, not LGBTQ.  The article should be limited to South Asia, and exclude overseas communities.  Peterkingiron (talk) 15:22, 5 August 2014 (UTC)
 * FYI, my understanding is that contemporary South Asian LGBTQ history is very much a tight interplay between events and movements in South Asian and in diaspora, and separating the two out may actually obscure more than it reveals. For example, the article on LGBT culture in Chennai describes how members of the first lesbian group in the city of Chennai, India found each other through the classified section of Trikone, a diaspora magazine published in San Francisco. If you think making the distinction between South Asia and diaspora is critical, what would you think of adding flag icons to make locations more clear? Anirvan (talk) 21:12, 5 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Peter, re: "LGBT" vs "LGBTQ," I went ahead and renamed the article Timeline of South Asian and diasporic LGBT history to match Wikipedia convention. Thank you for the suggestion. -Anirvan (talk) 06:32, 6 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, NorthAmerica1000 01:51, 6 August 2014 (UTC)




 * Keep This chronology of events is an important reference for those of us contributing to country- and city- specific LGBT timelines of events that are both impacted by and influence events in the diaspora. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lramakrishnan (talk • contribs)
 * Keep and clean up. I don't see that it's so bad as to require WP:TNT. Bearian (talk) 17:20, 7 August 2014 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.