Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Timeline of the war in Donbass (July 2018–present)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. -- Patar knight - chat/contributions 03:14, 5 September 2018 (UTC)

Timeline of the war in Donbass (July 2018–present)

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This article is a violation of WP:NOT, specifically WP:NOTINDISCRIMINATE. To provide encyclopedic value, data should be put in context with explanations referenced to independent sources. This article un-critically regurgitates the daily press releases of the pro-Russian and pro-Ukrainian forces, and does not provide any encyclopedic value. An RFC has not found any way to improve the article, and I doubt there is any way to have a day-by-day timeline that would be encyclopedic in nature. power~enwiki ( π, ν ) 16:44, 28 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of History-related deletion discussions. Icewhiz (talk) 16:50, 28 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Military-related deletion discussions. Icewhiz (talk) 16:50, 28 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Ukraine-related deletion discussions. Icewhiz (talk) 16:50, 28 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Russia-related deletion discussions. Icewhiz (talk) 16:50, 28 August 2018 (UTC)

Meanwhile, in the middle of Europe, people are killed, fates of millions are “bangled”, and, people are reading this series of chronology, no matter on which side of the "line" they are (killed, wounded, fighting, suffering, living), thus the multi-language sources.—Pietadè (talk) 19:52, 31 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete. The article is essentially a collection of daily press briefings by the Ukranian and LNR/DNR sides (the reliability of either side being rather poor). The conflict is not covered by SECONDARY WP:RS at anything close to the the level of detail present in the article. This perhaps belongs in WikiSource or something similar - we are essentially hosting a collation of WP:PRIMARY accounts (the daily press releases). There are also NPOV issues in the presentation. In terms of policy rationale for deletion - this is a WP:NOTNEWS and WP:NOTSTAT fail.Icewhiz (talk) 16:58, 28 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep. There is active warfare in Donbass, as a matter of fact. This is a well sourced WP:LIST. The criteria for inclusion are obvious. Many sources are secondary and qualify as RS. Some others (such as that one) are indeed primary and hardly reliable. They should be probably removed. I agree: these events should be summarized more briefly, but this is a matter of fixing content. Not a reason for deletion. My very best wishes (talk) 17:10, 28 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep. The RfC discussion is far from over, so hardly any "way to improve the article" could have been found (or not) yet. The timeline, as the proposer acknowledges, is based almost exclusively upon daily military reports from both sides involved in the conflict, therefore this is not a case of WP:NOTINDISCRIMINATE, since the narrative mirrors sources which provide concise information (weaponry, locations, number of ceasefire violations and casualties). Wikipedia policy is aimed to "statistics that lack context or explanation", as you can see at WP:DISCRIMINATE. Sources don`t need to be "independent"; see WP:BIASED, where it reads "...reliable sources are not required to be neutral, unbiased, or objective. Sometimes non-neutral sources are the best possible sources for supporting information about the different viewpoints held on a subject." Counterbalance is the best way to achieve neutrality in some cases, it has been already discussed at the RfC.---Darius (talk) 17:31, 28 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep. No comments to add.LongstreetJames (talk) 14:01, 29 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep per Darius.  Impru20 talk 21:23, 29 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep - the sourcing is adequate.XavierGreen (talk) 18:33, 31 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep – was my intention in the beginning (in 2014, or so (started in etwi, copying from here)), though, did not know at this time nothing about today (19:52, 31 August 2018 (UTC)), and, e.g., reading/comparing with Current events, shall we delete this and other similar and stick to, say, Big Bang, and start dealing with this unknown ‘thing’?


 * Keep. Subject is notable.  Hawkeye7   (discuss)  22:02, 2 September 2018 (UTC)


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