Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Timing of Sahaba becoming muslims


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result of the debate was no consensus to delete. W.marsh 05:25, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

Timing of Sahaba becoming muslims

 * Delete, WP:V (no sources), content fork, and nothing from the formating and composition looks salvagable. Jersey Devil 04:55, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Comment User Jersey Devil appears to be on the war path against User Striver by proposing all articles created by the latter for deletion. Sad. Lambiam 16:53, 16 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Delete, per nom, it could be merged with Sahaba. WU03 05:42, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete as unverifiable, POV fork. --Ter e nce Ong 07:40, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete and merge to Sahaba with verification. Pepsidrinka 07:42, 16 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Strong Keep Muslims attach importance on who became Muslim when. See the following to verify that:

See Identity of first male Muslim, then read this passage that shows how much importance Muslims attach on the Timing of Sahaba becoming muslims:

Twelve Ranks of the Companions

The Companions were divided into twelve ranks by the scholars. This division was made according to the chronological order and some groups are also included in others. It was accepted by the majority of scholars:

1. The four Rightly-Guided Caliphs, namely Abu Bakr, Umar, Uthman and Ali, and the rest of the ten to whom Paradise was promised while alive. They are Zubair bin Al-Awwam, Abu Ubaidah bin Al-Jarrah, Abdur-Rahman bin Awf, Talha bin Ubaidullah, Sa‘d bin Abi Waqqas and Saeed bin Zad, may Allah be pleased with them all.

2. Those who believed prior to Umar’s conversion and frequently gathered together secretly in the House of Arqam to listen to Allah’s Messenger, upon him be Peace and Blessings.

3. Those who migrated to Abyssinia in the first hijrah (migration) for Allah's Sake.

4. The Helpers (Ansar) who were present at the first ceremony of taking the Oath of Allegiance to Allah’s Messsenger at Al-Aqaba.

5. The Helpers (Ansar) who took the Oath of Allegiance to the Messenger at Al-Aqaba, the following year.

6. The first Emigrants (Muhajireen) who joined Allah’s Messenger before his arrival in Madinah during the Hijrah (Emigration).

7. The Companions who participated in the Battle of Badr.

8. Those who emigrated to Madinah during the period between the Battle of Badr and the Treaty of Hudaybiyah.

9. The Companions who took the Oath of Allegiance to Allah’s Messenger under a tree during the expedition of Hudaybiyah.

10. Those who converted and emigrated to Madinah after the Treaty of Hudaybiyah.

11. Those who became Muslims after the conquest of Makkah.

12. The children who saw Allah’s Messenger either during the Conquest of Makka or during the Farewell Pilgrimage, or in any other place and on different occasions.

According to this ranking, Khalid bin Al-Waleed would come in Rank 10, since he accepted Islam after the Truce of Hudaybiyah.

Source: http://www.swordofallah.com/html/companionshome.htm

As you see, this is a important topic to Muslims. The article needs better sourcing, not deletin. The sources can often be found in the article of the people. --Striver 15:35, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep - Jersey Devil stop trying to make a Point -Irishpunktom\talk 16:15, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Comment Why is that a voting rationale? As you can see by the reasonable number of Delete votes in all his recents AfDs, these AfDs are warranted. Striver has created a large number of articles that have little to no information and questionable significance (although he has also made many beneficial articles). I commend Jersey Devil for questioning the importance of these articles and trying to root out the ones that aren't necessary. joturner 20:46, 16 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Delete, adds nothing that can't be gone over briefly in sahaba. gren グレン 18:48, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Merge with Sahaba. joturner 20:46, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
 * merge with sahaba. Niffweed17, Destroyer of Chickens 20:58, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

Remeber that this is going to be a big list, there are lots of Sahaba, and this list would dominate it. Ill also add some context right now.--Striver 00:44, 17 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Delete and merge as per Pepsidrinka but with one proviso - the list Striver has pulled out of a hat about the ranking of Sahaba would make an excellent addition to the Sahaba article (minus the peace and blessings liberally sprinkled through the list). Green Giant 01:22, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

No can do, that is a Sunni ranking system. I only brought it to show that the topic of when they became Muslims is higly relevant to Muslims, Shi'a also view such a list as very important. The list needs time to grow and mature, not to be deleted. --Striver 02:20, 21 March 2006 (UTC)


 * keep--Zereshk 21:13, 23 March 2006 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.