Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Timothy Jupp


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result was Keep Martin Smith (songwriter), Merge the rest. —Wknight94 (talk) 18:54, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

Timothy Jupp

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Five articles on members of the Christian band Delirious?. The band gets external coverage so is notable, but I can find no evidence that the individual members have been the primary subject of multiple non-trivial coverage in reliable, independent secondary sources, and the only source for the bio data seems to be the band's own website. Guy (Help!) 11:27, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Question Dont have time to look it up now, but doesnt being a member of a notable band confer notability on the members per Wiki:Music? Jcuk 12:25, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Allegedly, but if there are no independent sources then actually that is a non-starter per WP:V and WP:NPOV. Guy (Help!) 14:34, 5 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Weak delete. WP:MUSIC doesn't appear to say that being a member of a notable band is enough on its own to confer notability. Since their articles have (at most) some extra trivia about these people, I'd say delete. Squiddy | (squirt ink?)  12:42, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete all - not notable enough for their own articles (per WP:BIO and WP:MUSIC). Jayden54 13:15, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Merge and Redirect to Delirious? Catchpole 13:25, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep One of these articles was already nominated for deletion, and it survived then. Why delete it now when it's only developed more? — D. Wo. 18:20, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep per my understanding of Wiki:Music and the fact one of the articles already survived AFD Jcuk 20:58, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Weak Keep, I guess that they marginally meet WP:MUSIC, which as written does not leave space to interpretation ... on the other hand, do we need an article about every "famous" band member ? Alf photoman 01:03, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment - the band meets, WP:MUSIC, but the individual members do not. Which bit of WP:MUSIC 'does not leave space to interpretation' on this? Have I missed something? Squiddy | (squirt ink?)  10:05, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Weak Keep: I've worked on most of these articles... independent, reliable sources include Martin Smith (I'm sure that there are others somewhere; I've definitely seen more from other reliable sources). Meh; if members of a notable band (I would say possibly the most influential Christian band of the 90s, given that they and Matt Redman kick-started the modern worship movement) aren't necessarily notable themselves, go ahead and delete; I cast Keep for Martin at least, though. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by MatheMezzaMorphis163 (talk • contribs) 12:56, 6 January 2007 (UTC).
 * Edit & Comment: Oops; I forgot to sign the above. Anyway, I would actually say that it's much harder for British Christian bands to meet the criteria. In America, there's a massive CCM industry willing to report on bands, etc.; in Britain, there's literally no CCM subculture... and a lot of music magazines, channels, etc. refuse to consider Christian bands (and hence especially their by-definition less-notable members) as being worthy of attention. Oh, well... I still would say Keep for Martin and Weak Keep for the rest. --3M163//Complete Geek 13:02, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Include any verifiable and pertinent info in the band article and redirect the pages there.GassyGuy 15:28, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep Delerious is one of the most important bands in contemporary Christian circles, especially in the UK. and has influenced worship in 1000s of churches. Martin Smith and Stu Garrard in particular have written songs that are used regularly in worship and are Christian hymnwriters in their own right. It might be best to keep their articles seperate and combine the others into Delerious' article. There are other sources of information about them. MMcCaghrey 16:56, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep Delirious and the song writing partnership of Smith/Garrand have been a major worldwide influence on christian worship music over the last decade, penning some of the most sung songs in churches throughout the world - these are modern hymmns - do not delete. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 81.79.93.196 (talk) 00:01, 8 January 2007 (UTC).
 * Keep Martin Smith, merge others into Delirious?. I happen to be quite a fan of Delirious, but I don't think any of the band members, save Martin (who's written a lot of very popular songs) is notable in and of themselves. -Patstuarttalk 21:36, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
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