Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Timothy Machin (2nd nomination)


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The result was redirect to List of Bedfordshire County Cricket Club List A players. There is a strong consensus that the subject is not notable and that it should be a redirect. There only referenced material here is the birthplace and university career, but does not need to be merged considering the content of the other list entries. (non-admin closure) — MarkH21talk 23:36, 3 April 2021 (UTC)

Timothy Machin
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This was nominated last year, but the nomination was poor, and all of the arguments for keep were that he passed WP:NCRIC. Unfortunately, Machin definitively fails WP:GNG. The only two sources in the article are to Cricket Archive and CricInfo, two statistical database sites which don't pass WP:SPORTCRIT for notability purposes. I did a fairly comprehensive BEFORE search in which I found a reprint of the scorecard of the List A match he played in, but the newspaper did nothing except reprint the score of the match, not provide any significant coverage of him, and the only other appearances of his name were in agate (i.e., not SIGCOV). No issue with an ATD if a suitable one is found. SportingFlyer  T · C  22:35, 27 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Cricket-related deletion discussions. SportingFlyer  T · C  22:35, 27 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of England-related deletion discussions. SportingFlyer  T · C  22:35, 27 March 2021 (UTC)


 * Comment - Please, we've got enough on our plate right now as it is. If we need eyes looking at articles, sending them to AfD should not be the first resort. As we can prove over and over again, source material exists elsewhere if we allow more eyes to look first. The deletion rationale on the original AfD was poor because it was a lie. Bobo. 22:41, 27 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Sportspeople-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 23:04, 27 March 2021 (UTC)


 * Redirect to List of Bedfordshire County Cricket Club List A players - despite some users arguing that Machin does pass WP:GNG in the previous AfD, there is absolutely no evidence that he does. There is clear consensus that a trivial passing of WP:NCRIC is insufficient when GNG is comprehensively failed. Redirect per ATD. Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 23:22, 27 March 2021 (UTC)


 * Redirect to List of Bedfordshire County Cricket Club List A players. Does not pass WP:GNG. All the available sourcing is statistical database entries in nature, so a redirect to a list containing similar info is appropriate. Reyk YO! 08:01, 28 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Redirect to List of Bedfordshire County Cricket Club List A players Has played 1 List-A match, but a search didn't bring about significant coverage. Sources may exist offline, and if anything on his scholarly contribution or literary contribution can be found I may well reconsider. Currently though, using a similar precedent to that used by WP:FOOTY where a player with 1 or a few matches, but no coverage, is redirected/deleted, and a suitable WP:ATD exists here. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 10:01, 28 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Redirect to List of Bedfordshire County Cricket Club List A players. Reasonably long minor counties career including one List A match, but none of it equates to playing at the highest domestic level. No significant coverage found, with mentions being almost exclusively scorecard data, so fails WP:GNG. wjematherplease leave a message... 12:17, 28 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Merge with List of Bedfordshire County Cricket Club List A players it is better.--Alcremie (talk) 06:53, 1 April 2021 (UTC)


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