Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Timothy Morss and Brett Tyler


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete.  MBisanz  talk 01:07, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

Timothy Morss and Brett Tyler

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WP:BLP1E, notable for only one crime. No lasting notability. BJ Talk 20:18, 11 April 2009 (UTC) 
 * Delete as non-notable, WP:BLP1E. – Toon (talk)  20:30, 11 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:BLP1E Smitty (talk) 20:54, 11 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:BLP1E. لenna  vecia  21:23, 11 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete per above.Broadweighbabe (talk) 21:35, 11 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Crime-related deletion discussions.  --  I 'mperator 21:59, 11 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Living people-related deletion discussions. --Erwin85Bot (talk) 00:01, 12 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete: per above. South Bay    (talk) 03:21, 12 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete - sad, true, terrible, but not notable. Bearian (talk) 17:38, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment: I have reversed my early closure per request by User:SilkTork who I imagine will be showing up sometime soon to argue 'keep'. Icewedge (talk) 06:55, 17 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Icewedge (talk) 07:01, 17 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Redirect to Murder of Daniel Handley. Yes, Keep. This case has wide coverage, yet is not anywhere on our encyclopedia. It has dual notability for the crime itself, widely reported in in 1996 and well established by reliable sources, and for the overturning of the 50-year tariffs in 2002, also covered by reliable sources. As the article covers two distinct events, BLP1E does not apply, and as neither of the events is covered anywhere on Wikipedia, BLP1E does not apply. The ethos of BLP1E is "Cover the event, not the person." This article is about the event. We can talk about how best to deal with the material - if the article should be renamed, or the material merged somewhere, but delete the material? No - it clearly meets the WP:N guideline, and the WP:V policy.  SilkTork  *YES! 07:22, 17 April 2009 (UTC)
 * The single crime is a BLP1E item, the court ruling as a precedent is glanced on in Whole life tariff and should be improved on in that article (actually, parts of the crime content itself is in that article). As such, Redirect to Whole life tariff. Usrnme h8er (talk · contribs) 09:06, 17 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I disagree that coverage of a crime is a BLP1E item - it is coverage of an individual in addition to or in place of coverage of a crime that BLP1E addresses. However, a redirect to the appropriate section in Whole life tariff is a viable solution, as it renaming the article to make it more obviously about the crime, and the aftermath.
 * While we're at this, in the Timothy Morss and Brett Tyler section in Whole_life_tariff there is a link to their victim, Daniel Handley. That is a genuine BLP1E issue, and is directly related to this discussion. The solution to Timothy Morss and Brett Tyler should involve Daniel Handley. So another option comes up. Rename Daniel Handley to Daniel Handley murder case, and merge Timothy Morss and Brett Tyler to Daniel Handley murder case.  SilkTork  *YES! 09:26, 17 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I've renamed the Daniel Handley article and merged in material from Timothy Morss and Brett Tyler. So I'm changing now to Redirect to Murder of Daniel Handley.  SilkTork  *YES! 09:51, 17 April 2009 (UTC)


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