Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Tin Ching Estate


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. Star  Mississippi  02:29, 16 March 2022 (UTC)

Tin Ching Estate

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Redirect reverted without improvement or rationale. Not enough in-depth coverage to pass WP:GNG, just routine. And contrary to some editors, 3 or 4 lines in an article is not in-depth coverage.  Onel 5969  TT me 21:25, 21 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Architecture and Hong Kong.  Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 21:39, 21 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment. This article was previously WP:BLANKANDREDIRECT'ed by the nominator and restored by me, and then re-blanked-and-redirected by the editor despite the Deletion policy guideline. The nominator was then asked to self-revert the article, but they did not and the article was reverted by a third editor. This AfD is the consequence of this sequence. For background information and a discussion about a set of similar cases, please see Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Hong Kong. Underwaterbuffalo (talk) 15:00, 21 February 2022 (UTC)

Keep per the significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources.  The article notes from Google Translate: "Tin Ching Estate has many places to rest, but the design is rigid and it is difficult to gather residents. ... Liu Huaqiang, 66, moved to Tin Ching Estate in 2008. At first, he felt that the air here is good and the environment is quiet, but after living there, he found that Tin Ching Estate was "nothing". ... Tin Ching Estate is located to the north of Tin Shui Wai, with a total of 16,000 residents in the third phase. However, the shopping mall in the village has only 8 shops, and only one Maxim's Fast Food has just been completed. Eight years later, there is only one more restaurant. It takes three years for a newly completed housing estate to be occupied before a mutual aid committee can be established, ... Apart from the lack of a market, there is a large road between Phases 1, 2 and 3 of Tin Ching Estate. At first glance, it looks like two separate housing estates. ... The planning of Tin Ching Estate has caused the residents to be separated from the housing estate, making life inconvenient and affecting their sense of belonging to the housing estate."  The article notes from Google Translate: "Just like the newly completed Tin Ching, there are super luxurious equipment such as a golf course and a large-scale ground fountain; ... However, in Tin Shui Wai, Tin Ching, which was completed in May this year, the house design is different from the practical principles of the traditional housing construction of the HD. When our reporter inspected the house, he found that in addition to the general house facilities, it was rare to have a golf course and a ground fountain with a diameter of nearly ten meters. The golf course is about half the size of a basketball court, with six holes covered by artificial grass, but the golf course and ground fountains are not fenced and fenced. If residents drive high waves on the golf course, they will hit residents and vehicles passing by at any time." Less significant coverage:  The article notes from Google Translate: "The Tin Ching Estate Children's Playground has turned into a terrifying insect paradise, where small insects that look like centipedes appear in groups day and night. ... Residents are worried that the insect army will secrete venom, threatening the safety of children playing in the playground. A district councilor pointed out that there was a "worm disaster" in the housing estate, but the Housing Department did not take action for a long time."  The article notes from Google Translate: "Sister Rong and Sister Shi, the cleaners in their 50s, have been working in Tin Ching Estate since the opening of the village in 2008. They have been working diligently and conscientiously. They criticized the outsourcer, Yaju, for ignoring the plight of the workers."</li> <li> The article notes from Google Translate: "There is also a "door always open" in a corner of Tin Ching Estate. Walking into the Mutual Aid Committee of Qingyun Building, ... Looking at Tin Ching Estate, there are many grass-roots families and elderly people, but the village has only a single-storey shopping mall with less than ten shops, which is difficult to meet the living needs of the residents. ... 42-year-old Tin Ching Estate is one of the many new immigrant women in Tianqing Village."</li> </ol></li> </ol>There is sufficient coverage in reliable sources to allow Tin Ching Estate to pass Notability, which requires "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject". Cunard (talk) 10:47, 22 February 2022 (UTC) </li></ul>
 * Keep per the WP:SIGCOV shared by Cunard above. NemesisAT (talk) 12:18, 22 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment - all the "significant" coverage shown above is simply WP:ROUTINE, and in some instances only amounts to 2 or 3 sentences. Hardly significant.  Onel 5969  <i style="color:blue">TT me</i> 14:53, 22 February 2022 (UTC)
 * I disagree with the application of WP:ROUTINE as that is part of our events notability guideline so isn't applicable to this article. NemesisAT (talk) 14:56, 22 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep if can find WP:SIGCOV for this estate. --SlideAndSlip (talk) 15:32, 22 February 2022 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, – AssumeGoodWraith  (talk &#124; contribs) 02:33, 1 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep I think the coverage given above is enough to work as evidence of notability. Laptopinmyhands (talk) 14:16, 23 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete The most mediocre of articles. Lets look at the non-references above, also mediocre to the extreme, the most common things, there are many grass-roots families and elderly people difficult to meet their needs like in every other place on the planet that undergoing fast change. threatening the safety of children playing in the playground. The very definition of the precuationary principle, again routine and mediocre to the extreme, used everywhere to protect chilren in playgronds. The absolute lowest most mediocre definition of what counts as notable. This defintion that is offered here as significant, offers no differetiation between what is notable and what is not. It breaks the barrier of what is consider special. It elevates the mediocre to specialness, the very worst kind of idea. What it means, is that every single thing on earth, even the most blaise and mediocre will come into Wikipedia.   scope_creep Talk  22:35, 25 February 2022 (UTC)
 * And the references and the references in the article are primary.   scope_creep Talk  22:38, 25 February 2022 (UTC)
 * <p class="xfd_relist" style="margin:0 0 0 -1em;border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 2em;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  Sandstein   09:03, 8 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment: Scope creep said, "This defintion that is offered here as significant" and listed two quotes from the sources I posted: "there are many grass-roots families and elderly people difficult to meet their needs" and "threatening the safety of children playing in the playground". These two quotes come from the "Less significant coverage" section of my list of sources. I agree that these quotes amount to less significant coverage which is why I included them in the "Less significant coverage" section. Tin Cheng Estate has received significant coverage in the first two sources I listed. Cunard (talk) 22:48, 5 March 2022 (UTC)
 * <p class="xfd_relist" style="margin:0 0 0 -1em;border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 2em;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


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