Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Tin Kai-mun


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   keep.  Sandstein  20:20, 21 April 2011 (UTC)

Tin Kai-mun

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Full disclosure: I am unable to perform a search in Chinese for foreign-language sources that might be useful for establishing the notability of this Hong Kongese actor. However, I would be very surprised if such a search turned up anything worthwhile. He appears to have had just one major role in his career – in Shaolin Soccer. As far as I can tell, he fails WP:BIO completely. (While those are my primary reasons for seeking deletion, it should be noted that this article is also an unreferenced BLP and has been for quite some time.) A Stop at Willoughby (talk) 20:20, 5 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Hong Kong-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 02:20, 7 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Actors and filmmakers-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 02:20, 7 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep This guy is pretty famous. Not famous but recognisable at least. He's a friend of Steven Chow and in most of his movies like Kung-Fu Hustle. I'll try add more things about him. I started with adding the zh article on it. Dengero (talk) 00:21, 8 April 2011 (UTC)
 * I added a few movies he was in (only the ones with an english article equiv). Hopefully it'll be enough to pull him off the deletion. Dengero (talk) 00:30, 8 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Hmm, interesting. I see you're fluent in Yue Chinese. Can you find any reliable sources (in any language) that establish this guy's notability? It looks like he's had a whole bunch of minor roles; he could still potentially be notable, but in order for the article to be kept, we need verifiable evidence that this guy has been "the subject of multiple published secondary sources which are reliable, intellectually independent of each other, and independent of the subject," per this guideline. I can't find any such evidence in online English sources. A Stop at Willoughby (talk) 19:49, 10 April 2011 (UTC)

 Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:39, 12 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Keep. Alternate spelling of his name is Tin Kai-Man and the article title should be corrected to this spelling. Lots of hits on English Google with the alternate spelling. Also lots of photographs and opportunities for article references. Definitely meet WP:GNG. Any speaking part in Kung Fu Hustle alone makes him notable as an actor (and he was an advisor of the Axe Gang). Lengthy filmography on imdb.  Nipson anomhmata   (Talk) 00:03, 13 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Okay, the alternate spelling leads to a lot more Google hits. I found an article quoting Tin on Asianbite.com, which appears to publish gossip-type news, and used it to support the statement that he is a friend of Stephen Chow. However, Asianbite.com is not a great source at all, so I'd really prefer to see something better if we're going to have a BLP on this guy. Unfortunately, despite all the Google hits, I'm still having trouble finding reliable sources about Tin. (By the way, I also worked on the prose of the article a bit; feel free to tweak as you see fit.) A Stop at Willoughby (talk) 04:58, 20 April 2011 (UTC)


 * Keep. Popular actor, name change required. If i'd nominated this myself I'd withdraw it. Szzuk (talk) 18:20, 21 April 2011 (UTC)
 * You know, normally I would. But Tin is a living person, and none of the information in this article, true though it may be, comes from reliable sources. I've accepted that Tin probably passes WP:ENTERTAINER ("has had significant roles in multiple notable films"), but I cannot in good conscience withdraw this nomination while the article only cites Imdb and Asianbite.com. Sorry. A Stop at Willoughby (talk) 18:46, 21 April 2011 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.