Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Tintin and the World of Hergé


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The result was keep. Spartaz Humbug! 07:09, 17 April 2015 (UTC)

Tintin and the World of Hergé

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This stub article is devoted to a book that simply fails to meet any of the criteria laid out at Notability (books). Many different books have been written about The Adventures of Tintin over the years, and while this one has been translated into several languages, it seems to have no notability. Midnightblueowl (talk) 19:09, 31 March 2015 (UTC)

Delete Although of course it has notability, I'm surprised at you, Midnightblueowl; it's an informative book from a notable author. However, in 1988 when this book was published, there were very few English-language books about Tintin, but there are several now, including one by the same author that better covers le monde d'Tintin. We don't have articles for any of those books; this is the only article about a Tintin reference book, and it hardly says anything. This book is out of print now; I purchased it recently but it was very difficult to find. There is no need to draw attention to one of the older Tintin reference books. And the most important reason to delete: There is no chance either of the regular editors of the Tintin articles are going to expand this article. Prhartcom (talk) 20:49, 31 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Agreed; there seems to be little or nothing with which it could be expanded to start with, and that is why it lacks "notability" under the Wikipedia meaning of the term. Midnightblueowl (talk) 21:08, 31 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Literature-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 00:47, 4 April 2015 (UTC)
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 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 06:47, 9 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete. No reliable sources and unlikely to have ever been reviewed in enough other places (newspapers, journals etc.) to have "substantial" coverage in WP:RS. Redirect to the author? —Brigade Piron (talk) 09:58, 9 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Agreed; redirect to author Benoit Peeters. Prhartcom (talk) 16:15, 9 April 2015 (UTC)


 * Redirect to author seems like the proper outcome. VMS Mosaic (talk) 01:29, 11 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Strong oppose - You're kidding, right? Deleting "...an informative book from a notable author."? Is it that no one bothered to look for references, or just that they didn't look for them in french - you know, the author's native language, and the language the book was originally published in? This, for example, from Radio France...  - jc37 18:11, 12 April 2015 (UTC)
 * jc37, WP:SOFIXIT. Prhartcom (talk) 14:14, 13 April 2015 (UTC)
 * I'm really not convinced that equals serious cover of the book itself either I'm afraid. The H-France article cited deals with a different book and saying that it features on reading lists is not really helpful - no-one doubts its existence after all! For it to merit an article, you'd expect dedicated and lengthy reviews in newspapers or journals which it doesn't seem to have.
 * As a side note, the H-France article describes it as "reasonably informative" and compares it unfavorably with others - not exactly a massive complement! —Brigade Piron (talk) 18:25, 14 April 2015 (UTC)
 * As for the Entertainment Weekly article (which is the sort of thing we should be looking for) - less than two sentences of the tiny article actually refer to the book in question. Ditto for the Radio France one. I think calling them a reviews would be rather over-charitable... —Brigade Piron (talk) 18:30, 14 April 2015 (UTC)


 * Keep meets WP:GNG and WP:NBOOK, have included a 'reception' section in the article and included words with lots of refs(although most of them may be deemed trivial as they don't review the book, they do show that the book is an important 'herge/tintin' book having been included in so many 'further reading' lists), an editor with French language skills could probably find a lot more:) Coolabahapple (talk) 06:14, 13 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Coolabahapple, can you provide evidence to support your assertion that it has been the "subject of two or more non-trivial published works appearing in sources that are independent of the book itself" (criteria #1 of WP:NBOOK)? I assume you don't argue that it meets one of the other 4 ~ note that including a book in a "further reading" section of a published work doesn't make it "subject of instruction" at a university, school etc (possible to be confused with #4). —Brigade Piron (talk) 18:31, 14 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Coolabahapple, I am sorry, I had to delete the rest of your contribution to this doomed article. See my edit summary. Cheers. Prhartcom (talk) 18:41, 14 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Comment oops, sorry 1 of the 'reception' books i included was for another 'tintin' book (where are my trouts?), but the other is arguably ok, and the other words/refs although apparently 'trivial' as i did allude to above, shouldn't just be deleted ie. WP:NNC "Notability guidelines do not apply to content within an article" - (also applies to this book not being notable just because its cited 4 times in FA Tintin in the Congo); i look forward to reinstating them when this afd is finished Coolabahapple (talk) 15:29, 15 April 2015 (UTC)

Keep per the significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources.  The article notes: "With Benoit Peeters' book 'Tintin and the World of Herge,' Tintin fans are in for a treat. Without succumbing to the temptation of over-intellectualizing the comic strip, Mr. Peeters provides an overview of the series, a detailed background of each of the many Tintin comic books and a lavish set of illustrations. In the process, he tells not just the story of Tintin and his creator, George Remi (who worked under the pseudonym, Herge), but also of how they reflect the course of 20th-century European history. Tintin came into the world at an interesting time, to say the least - Jan. 10, 1929. George Remi was 25 years old and newly employed as an illustrator and draftsman for the Catholic newspaper Le XXs Siecle in Brussels. At the time, the editor, an ebullient priest, the Rev. Norbert Wallez, wanted to publish a youth supplement and he assigned young Remi to the task. It wasn't Remi's first cartoon. He had been an eager Boy Scout and had earlier created 'Totor, Patrol Leader of the Hannetons' for the magazine 'Le Boy-Scout.' ... TINTIN AND THE WORLD OF HERGE: AN ILLUSTRATED HISTORY  By Benoit Peeters  Little, Brown, $40  161 pages, illus. REVIEWED BY HELLE BERING-JENSEN"  The article notes: "TINTIN AND THE WORLD OF HERGE By Benoit Peeters, Methuen, Pounds 12.95 Captain Haddock, according to an authority quoted here, has a repertoire of more than 200 expletives. 217, to be precise, as the Thompson Twins would say. British readers never knew Tintin without Haddock, meeting him first drunk and orderly below decks in charge of a cargo of opium. That was in 1957 in the pages of Eagle. Created more than a dozen years after Tintin and Snowy, Herge gave him everything they lacked: subtlety of character, graphic complexity, and foul language. ... Tintin and the World of Herge is a translation-cum-adaptation of the authoritative survey by Benoit Peeters that appeared in French six years ago. It gives an abbreviated account of Herge's life, a miscellany of his other work, and a leisurely chunter through all of the 24 albums. There are some useful additional illustrations, including a splendid sepia of King Feisal's little boy, the original of Emir Ben Kalish's delinquent son, Abdullah. But the pages are cramped in comparison, the paper thin, and someone, somewhere has cut out the unforgettable anthology of Haddock's apostrophizing. There are only 217 words for that kind of person. Cannibal! Child-snatcher! Carpet-slipper! Cretin! Fancy-dress Martian in buttercup juice! Baboon! Bashi-bazouk! Fatima from Prisunic! Mustard plaster! Death-dodger! Vegetarian! Nougat-nutter! Laxative! Guano-merchant!"  The article notes: "Tintin and the World of Herge: An Illustrated History, Benoit Peeters (Bulfinch Press, $40) - Here's an admirable account of Tintin that preserves all the mysteries of the little hero. The creation of Georges Remi, alias Herge, a Belgian artist born in Brussels in 1907, Tintin is ageless and sexless, conservative and progressive. He has neither family origins nor emotional connections. In this, as in many other ways, as Peeters reveals, Tintin resembles the opaque Herge himself. A splendid compilation of fact and illustration." There is sufficient coverage in reliable sources to allow Tintin and the World of Hergé to pass Notability, which requires "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject". Cunard (talk) 23:54, 14 April 2015 (UTC) 

Keep -- Sufficient notability, though it does need to be referenced soon. And anything Tintin is extremely popular pretty much everywhere (in the Occident) but the US. HullIntegrity \ talk / 11:47, 16 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Comment -- Reviews apparently exist, but my access to my databases just went down. And four translations is significant in and of itself. Will follow up. HullIntegrity  \ talk / 12:50, 16 April 2015 (UTC)
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