Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Tiridates (son of Tiran of Armenia)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was soft delete. Based on minimal participation, this uncontroversial nomination is treated as an expired PROD (a.k.a. "soft deletion"). Editors can request the article's undeletion. Liz Read! Talk! 05:35, 19 January 2023 (UTC)
 * I'm amending this AFD discussion closure to be a straight Delete, not a Soft Delete upon further consideration. Liz Read! Talk! 20:01, 19 January 2023 (UTC)

Tiridates (son of Tiran of Armenia)

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Fails WP:Verifiability in secondary sources. He is mentioned in passing by a 5th-century Armenian author, but the only other source in the article that seems to mention him is Gibbon (18th century), who doesn't accept the authenticity of the individual as described. The best source revealed by BEFORE is this, which seems reliable but the relevant excerpt is just a translation or paraphrase of the original primary source. I also checked two other sources, this and this, both very detailed on the subject of 4th-century Roman-Armenian relations, and they have nothing to say about a Tiridates matching this one's description. If he existed, modern sources simply failed to take note of him. Avilich (talk) 02:31, 4 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Royalty and nobility and Armenia. Avilich (talk) 02:31, 4 January 2023 (UTC)
 * I assume the "5th-century Armenian author" you mention is Khorenatsi, as cited in the article. What about the Kurkjian History of Armenia reference? Was that a failed verification? Jfire (talk) 03:40, 4 January 2023 (UTC)
 * In case the original statement isn't clear enough, yes, failed verification. Kurkjian only mentions 'Tiran and his family', never Trdat (Tiridates). Avilich (talk) 04:41, 4 January 2023 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 01:56, 11 January 2023 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 03:10, 18 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of History-related deletion discussions. Avilich (talk) 19:57, 6 January 2023 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Delete Nominator's rationale seems convincing enough to me, and nobody else is weighing in. Jfire (talk) 04:12, 18 January 2023 (UTC)
 * That's why it's relisted. Liz Read! Talk! 05:27, 18 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete Lack of much of anything for sourcing and iffy based on what's explained above. I don't find anything in Gscholar or Jstor. Oaktree b (talk) 03:40, 19 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Oddly enough, there are some mentions of his son-in-law (the father of this guy we're talking about). Nothing for this person. Oaktree b (talk) 03:43, 19 January 2023 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.