Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Tito Munoz


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The result was Merge and Redirect Alex Bakharev (talk) 04:04, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

Tito Munoz

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Tito Munoz is not a notable person. He is even less notable than Joe the Plumber. Munoz is a victim of recentism, and his little notability will plummet to zero come November 4. Information about Munoz would be more appropriate for a 2008 presidential campaign article. Amwestover (talk|contrib) 01:39, 1 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Speedy keep Tito is the subject of multiple reliable sources and is a notable figure of the 2008 United States Presidential eletion. The reference section alone proves this point. Thanks. Ism schism (talk) 01:51, 1 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep It is important for our history to never forget Tito - 71.198.210.149 (talk) 01:55, 1 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment. Previous message is by a blocked user. D ARTH P ANDA duel 02:14, 1 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Delete per WP:ONEEVENT and WP:RECENTISM. This guy is about as notable as Harriet Christian, who also made headlines for about a week or two and gave a couple of interviews to Fox News. A similar case is Gayle Quinnell, who was briefly in the media for her "Obama is an Arab" comment. She was parodied on SNL, and yet we don't have an article on her. Tito the Builder's notability, unlike Joe the Plumber's, is entirely based on recent events and will soon die out. Not worthy of an encyclopedia article. A similar case is at Articles for deletion/James T. Harris. Khoikhoi 03:37, 1 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of United States of America-related deletion discussions.   -- VG &#x260E; 03:51, 1 November 2008 (UTC)
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 * Comment Looks like this is the same Tito Munoz, in a Washington Times article April 22, 2002, Die-in to tie up traffic; Protesters plan rush- hour disorder arguing with World Bank / military aid to Columbia protesters.   "Tito Munoz argued steadily in English and Spanish in favor of American military aid and stamping out drug use in his native Colombia with a revolving group of protesters. "You are using Colombia for your own political agenda," said Mr. Munoz, wrapped in a Colombian flag and waving his..."(free preview)  John Z (talk) 05:40, 1 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment This concern has been listed at Washington Times article on Tito Munoz. Thanks. Ism schism (talk) 21:32, 5 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Merge with McCain's campaign article. This is a single paragraph article 100% dependent on it's (passing) connection to the Campaign.  Joe the Plumber, by contrast, has a lot more meat. Mattnad (talk) 08:27, 1 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Merge with an election campaign article as the nominator suggested. Plenty of sources. - Mgm|(talk) 12:48, 1 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Merge so far, he has had only a few minutes of fame. --User101010 (talk) 13:37, 1 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment Since Tito's media attention goes back to 2002, and since Tito has been subject of news articles on an almost daily basis for the last part of the 2008 election campaign, it might serve the readers of Wikipedia best to keep this article and look over it again after the election to see if it ends at that point. Since his history goes back to 2002, I believe his notability is something that has increased with time, and continues to do so. Thanks. Ism schism (talk) 13:45, 1 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Merge Are you sure the 2002 Tito Munoz is the same person? It looks like that might be a relatively common name. Just playing devil's advocate. Regards. FangedFaerie  ( Talk  |  Edits ) 17:09, 1 November 2008 (UTC)
 * The description of 2002 Munoz as "[arguing] steadily in English and Spanish in favor of American military aid and stamping out drug use in his native Colombia" seems like a good fit with the current Munoz to me, though of course it could just be a strong coincidence. Dreaded Walrus t c 17:20, 1 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Since we can't even access that source, I'd say it's at least debatable. I'm looking to see if I can find it in archives somewhere. Regards. FangedFaerie  ( Talk  |  Edits ) 17:49, 1 November 2008 (UTC)
 * If this material is kept, I don't think that source should be. It's just as valid as this, this, and this, which is to say, it's not. Regards. FangedFaerie  ( Talk  |  Edits ) 18:03, 1 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep and rename article Tito the Builder - He has received enough press coverage, and has been officially used by the McCain Palin campaign to warrant an article. Per the precedence set by the article on Joe the Plumber, the article should be renamed. --Dems on the move (talk) 18:21, 1 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment This concern has been listed at Keep and rename article Tito the Builder. Thanks. Ism schism (talk) 21:27, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

strong delete per WP:BLP1E (only been mentioned recently, and mainly in passing) and WP:NOTNEWS. Can't these articles be covered in a main US election one or something? It's shallow trivia, unencyclopedic and in some cases a WP:BLP minefield. Sticky Parkin 01:43, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete Lacks sufficient independent coverage to satisfy notability, and falls under WP:NOT. The burst of coverage is far shorter than that of, say, Joe the Plumber. We do not need an article on every person who has a first name and a profession or hobby who gets mentioned by a political candidate once or twice. Edison|Edison the Editor (talk) 20:14, 1 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep. I'm not sure what makes sources like CBS, Fox News and CNN "not independent". Plenty of sources here to satisfy notability. 23skidoo (talk) 22:24, 1 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment: See talk page about sources. Most of them were blogs and opinions. I stripped them, but listed them on the talk page. Regards. FangedFaerie  ( Talk  |  Edits ) 23:34, 1 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Also read WP:BLP1E. Khoikhoi 01:51, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment Reliable sources have been removed from the article. Originally, there were at least 10 reliable sources; most of these have been removed. Thanks. Ism schism (talk) 02:54, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep, has received international fame (known here in Australia) and is certainly notable enough for his own article. --Nitchell (talk) 08:03, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment Tito continues to recieve substantial media attention. See, Channeling "Tito the Builder" in Miami (11/01/08). Thanks. Ism schism (talk) 16:15, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment. One of his interviews was also shown on The Daily Show. VG &#x260E; 16:36, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
 *  Speedy Keep Only reason given for deletion is non-notable. There is enough coverage to pass WP:NOTABILITY. If a topic has received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject, it is presumed to satisfy the inclusion criteria for a stand-alone article. Use Google News to easily verify. The "is not a notable person" will just not cut it, without evidence. Cite the number of sources he appeared in or something that proves he is "not notable". "notability will plummet" is crystal balling, as such this makes it a speedy. Merge to a campaign article would be highly inappropriate unless it turns out that Tito is 1) paid employee of any campaign 2) running for office. Hobartimus (talk) 17:46, 2 November 2008 (UTC)(note: changed my vote to simple Keep, per Khoikhoi)
 * From WP:1E: Where a person is mentioned by name in a Wikipedia article about a larger subject, but essentially remains a low-profile individual, we should generally avoid having an article on them" and "If reliable sources only cover the person in the context of a particular event, then a separate biography is unlikely to be warranted." Khoikhoi 21:29, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Due to all the media attention he has recieved, Tito does not qualify as "a low-profile individual." The references section contains articles about him, and there are many. Munoz is also listed in other sources that also show him to not be a low profile individual such as Friday's Big names hit the trail (10/31/08). Thanks. Ism schism (talk) 22:01, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Also, Tito is known for more than one event. 1) Tito's appearance on Hannity and Colmes has recieved substantial media coverage; Tito the Builder slammed Barack Obama and especially the mainstream media on Hannity and Colmes, "Tito the Builder" gets his 15 Minutes, and Tito the Builder on "Hannity & Colmes" are some examples. 2) The Canada Free Press reported that, "There’s a rousing cheer coming out of Colombia for Tito the Builder. That rousing cheer is “Viva Tito!” Tito the Builder, now running his own construction company in the US, is Colombian born.". 3. Tito's appearance with Sarah Palin on October 27, 2008 recieved substanctial media attention; “Tito The Builder” Makes Cameo At Palin Rally, Palin trots out 'Tito the builder' at Virginia rally, and Tito the Builder Joins Palin on the Stump are some examples. 4. The speech that Tito gave, at the John McCain event at Connaughton Community Plaza in Woodbridge, Virginia, has also recieved media attention, MOJO VIDEO: Mad for McCain (Starring "Tito the Builder"). Tito is beyond one event at this point. Thanks. Ism schism (talk) 23:22, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Living people-related deletion discussions. --Erwin85Bot (talk) 00:01, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
 * If that's all true, and you have reliable sources, then put them in the article. Most of the ones that are there now are blogs and opinion pieces. Regards. FangedFaerie  ( Talk  |  Edits ) 03:52, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Strong delete per WP:BLP1E. This man is notable only for one event that received a short burst of news coverage and then died down. This is an encyclopedia, not a news service; hence, the article should be deleted as its subject is merely of ephemeral interest. Biruitorul Talk 03:05, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete. To me, this appears as 2008 US Election 2008 cruft, and may quickly drift out of interest after the election is over. Is there a Republican 2008 campaign strategy article where this could be grouped into? + m t  05:25, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete per Khoi's comments. Another example of someone who's received a flurry of media coverage is Tyler Snyder. Remember him? He caught Barry Bonds 714th home run in May 2006. Remember him, now? No? So much for rampant media coverage establishing notability. Misterdiscreet (talk) 21:10, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep Catching a ball at a sporting event is hardly comparable to a presidential election campaign. We even heard about this chap in Australia. Orpheus (talk) 00:48, 5 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete he will be easily forgotten as a minor footnote to the 2008 election, and is very much non notable, and in addition this article name should redirect to Tito Muñoz the conductor is more notable and has the exact name as this individualThisglad (talk) 06:23, 5 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment One can argue that "he will easily be forgotten," but at present he continues to be referenced in the media on an almost daily basis. This has been the pattern for the latter part of the 2008 campaign. Who knows how much coverage he will continue to recieve in the future, but to date it has been substantial media coverage per google news. This is one of the reasons for keeping this article. Thanks. Ism schism (talk) 19:12, 5 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment As the Canada Free Press has reported that, “There’s a rousing cheer coming out of Colombia for Tito the Builder," this article has been included in the Colombia deletion sorting. Thanks. Ism schism (talk) 21:11, 5 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Colombia-related deletion discussions.   —Ism schism (talk) 21:11, 5 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete and merge to John McCain presidential campaign, 2008 per WP:BLP1E. He is not notable outside of the campaign's context and whatever notability his episode has in the campaign belongs to the campaign article. --Irpen 21:13, 5 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment There has been a vigorous debate above on the notability of this article. There seems to be an equal amount of arguements for each perspective concerning the choices of keeping, merging and deleting this article. As this is topic has recieved considerable media attention during and around the 2008 campaign, providing more time for consensus would allow this subject to be further reviewed concerning the 2008 election. Thanks. Ism schism (talk) 23:42, 5 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Merge and redirect to John_McCain_presidential_campaign,_2008. Only notable in that context. Unlike Joe the Plumber, Tito had no interactions with Obama. A campaign mascot basically. VG &#x260E; 00:09, 6 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Merge I agree with the merge suggestions above. --Eastlaw (talk) 02:58, 6 November 2008 (UTC)


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