Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Titus James


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The result was   delete. Wizardman 14:58, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

Titus James

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Non-notable player - no evidence he has played in a fully professional league; article states he currently plays for SM Caen but he is not listed on their official site; limited Google hits GiantSnowman 22:46, 29 April 2008 (UTC)


 * This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football related deletions. GiantSnowman 22:48, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete - doesn't appear notable enough at this time. It's possible the Malaysian-language sources (which I can't read) provide evidence of notability, but I doubt it. Terraxos (talk) 01:40, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment The Caen thing is vandalism which I've reverted; the article states he plays for "Third Division club" Villenoy. He does exist, and probably does play for Villenoy, per English-language sources, , , but they appear to be a very minor club per French F.F. playing in the departmental Paris Ile-de-France league which is nowhere near the Third Division. As a footballer, he clearly isn't notable; as a Malaysian personality, perhaps he might be. cheers, Struway2 (talk) 08:17, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Reply I'm not doubting his existence, just his notability; if he is playing for Villenoy then he is still not notable. GiantSnowman 11:13, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Agreed, as a footballer he doesn't satisfy WP:ATHLETE. But nor did Sonny Pike. He was a young boy who was so good at football that he went off to a foreign country as a great prospect but never became a footballer; his notability presumably came under the WP:BIO, being the subject of independent published sources. Titus James looks like a Malaysian equivalent. As the article stands, there aren't sufficient independent sources to assert notability, but that isn't to say they don't exist. All I'm saying is that there might be more to this particular case than just black-and-white football-notability considerations. cheers, Struway2 (talk) 11:51, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
 * If reliable, independent sources can be found to back up his notability on that front, then the article should remain. All I seem to be able to find are forums and James' personal blog. GiantSnowman 13:46, 30 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Malaysia-related deletion discussions.   —Struway2 (talk) 11:51, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep, seems notable. Stifle (talk) 20:02, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
 * How? He fails WP:ATHLETE as he has never played in a professional league, and WP:BIO as there are no independent, reliable sources which confirm his notability. GiantSnowman 17:33, 4 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Delete no assertion of notability, fails WP:ATHLETE and that's way enough to me. --Angelo (talk) 09:35, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete as appears to fail WP:BIO. пﮟოьεԻ   5  7  16:26, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep, he is very famous in Malaysia as a prospect that never lived up to his potential. Most Malaysians remember him from his frequent 'keep uppy' sessions in malls etc. (Namzie11 (talk) 01:51, 6 May 2008 (UTC))
 * Any evidence that he is "very famous"? GiantSnowman 11:01, 6 May 2008 (UTC)


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