Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Tiverton Preedy


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   keep. Consensus appears to be that the article has been improed since its nomination. Remaining issues are editorial ones. TravellingCari 21:30, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

Tiverton Preedy

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Not WP:NOTABLE: the founder of a football club who isn't even mentioned in the article of the football club he founded (which does contain a history section). Current sources (http://www.chrishobbs.com/tivertonpreedy.htm and http://www.chrishobbs.com/tivertonpreedy2) are not "reliable". Half the current article is about his death: WP:NOTMEMORIAL. No backlinks. I nixed the CSD A7, as importance is asserted. was removed with comment "as feel this article has improved and will improve more in the future"; not addressing the issue of verifiability or notability. &mdash;  X   S   G   05:33, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep The book ref I added has some on him..  Googling, among other usable sources one gets   from the Guardian, a review of Thank God for Football! By Peter Lupson  "which digs up much more than we knew before about the people who established these clubs and the principles, of "service to the poor and deprived", which motivated them." and has a chapter on Barnsley, founded by Preedy. ( here is a review from The Independent.)  The Chris Hobbs site's article is well sourced, referring to public records and newspaper articles on Preedy.  Barnsley's site and publications are RS's on their own history, and they have some.  Lack of mention of him in an article on Barnsley is a defect of Wikipedia.John Z (talk) 06:21, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment - If all of what you just wrote finds its way into the article, I'm guessing it'll have a good chance of passing this AfD. &mdash;  X   S   G   06:38, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm glad to see ChrisTheDude has largely done so.  The book by Lupson should have a good amount, but there's no preview, so all I can add is putting it in further reading for now. One always learns interesting things down here in AfD. Regards,John Z (talk) 09:54, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
 * This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football related deletions. ChrisTheDude (talk) 07:06, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Merge and redirect to Barnsley F.C.. The article is shaping up very nicely.  Some of the reliable sources just mention Preedy in passing, as the founder of the team, which would indicate that he warrants a mention on the team's page and not necessarily his own article. &mdash;   X   S   G   16:09, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm going to endeavour to get hold of the book mentioned above before this AfD ends - if Preedy is found to be the main subject of a chapter of say, ten pages or more, would that be deemed sufficient (in conjunction with the existing web-based sources/references) to keep the article in its own right....? -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 19:41, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Absolutely. You'll also find that I'm a bit more conservative in my adherence to Wikipedia guidelines than the average editor.  The fact of the matter is, we're dealing with guidelines, here, and not policy, so you may not even need to.  So far, I suspect a Wikipedia admin would close this discussion as keep, so finding the book in question may not be necessary.  Regardless, I'm going to see what Google Book Search has about that book... &mdash;   X   S   G   21:04, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Google Book Search - Encyclopedia of British Football by Richard William Cox shows on pave xvi that it does not contain an article about Tiverton Preedy, per se. &mdash;  X   S   G   21:08, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Thank God for Football by Peter Lupson is not available as a part of Google Book Search. Still, the review of the book is sufficient: it does a bit more than just mention Preedy. &mdash;   X   S   G   21:14, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment - I've merged most of the information from this article into History of Barnsley F.C./Tiverton Preedy merge for demonstration purposes. I think it works and I hope all will agree. &mdash;   X   S   G   21:00, 27 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep per JohnZ and ChrisTheDude's research on the article which, in my eyes, establishes notability. GiantSnowman 21:01, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Merge - Inlcude short section in Barnsley article. Hubschrauber729 (talk) 22:43, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep - Now the article has been expanded (and very well), he seems notable enough, multiple independent sources & books back it up. Qwghlm (talk) 14:11, 28 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep - well reference article. Don't see why it should be deleted. Nfitz (talk) 21:12, 28 September 2008 (UTC)


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