Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Tjan (musician)


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The result was keep, albeit weakly. BD2412 T 04:24, 20 December 2019 (UTC)

Tjan (musician)

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Subject of article lacks in-depth significant coverage in reliable sources. Furthermore the references provided in the article doesn’t establish notability for subject of article. He fails WP:SINGER & WP:GNG Celestina007 (talk) 20:38, 10 December 2019 (UTC)
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 * Delete: clearly fails both GNG and NMUSIC. PK650 (talk) 01:00, 12 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Weak keep - this is not so clear a case. One problem for finding coverage is that his name is, coincidentally, common in southeastern Asia. Goolging his name is like trying to find a needle in a haystack. There's a popular bartender/DJ in New Jersey named Cat Tjan, a writer named Mark Tian for a music insider guide, a beloved University of Southern California professor named Bosco Tjan whose murder made national news, and a documentary film producer in Upstate New York with a similar name. I found he was signed by Universal Music, was covered regularly by Nigeria's version of Entertainment Today, and lots of gossip rags that I won't deign to link. On the other hand, coverage of his nominations for awards are mere listings. I think he's barely there. Bearian (talk) 16:28, 12 December 2019 (UTC)
 * That's all well and good, but how does that stack up against NMUSIC? Gossip rags are not reliable sources, being signed to a label doesn't establish notability, and are any of those nominations notable? PK650 (talk) 23:40, 12 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Hey, Bearian, I think PK650 is right and from your own observations and remarks it provides a good rationale for why the article should indeed be deleted. If he is up and coming and perhaps in the future would get notable then this is a case of WP:TOOSOON article may be recreated at a time when there are reliable sources we can work with what do you think/say?Celestina007 (talk) 21:41, 13 December 2019 (UTC)


 * See WP:NMUSIC good coverage can pass criteria 1 as can another criteria of having two albums released on a major label though he only has singles so doesn't pass that one, imv Atlantic306 (talk) 23:35, 13 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Could you provide such sources? I only found this one, which I can't access for some reason. PK650 (talk) 01:10, 17 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep as he has significant coverage in reliable sources as specified by Bearian such as Nigeria Tribune and has also been nominated for a notable award The Headies 2016, imv Atlantic306 (talk) 23:40, 13 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Of the sources presented above, two are short event announcements, one is a photo gallery, and I am unsure as to the reliability of the other two (musicinafrica & thenet.ng). I am just not seeing "good coverage" in reliable sources. PK650 (talk) 23:03, 14 December 2019 (UTC)


 * I have seen some problem with the sources. If someone can't get better sources, it might not be kept. I still have an open mind. Bearian (talk) 18:07, 16 December 2019 (UTC)
 * The Tribune ref seems sig cov in a reliable source and his award and noms are covered in some of the others, imv Atlantic306 (talk) 23:50, 17 December 2019 (UTC)
 * In any case the Tribune article would be one source, not significant coverage. Award nomination articles listing him among others is also not significant coverage. What needs to be determined is whether these Nigerian awards are evidence of notability, a fact which nobody here has been able to prove/disprove. PK650 (talk) 10:20, 18 December 2019 (UTC)


 * Weak keep, having been nominated for several Nigerian national music awards and won one. RebeccaGreen (talk) 13:56, 17 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Weak Keep. as per User:Bearian.- Nahal (T) 23:13, 17 December 2019 (UTC)


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